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How would you prioritise the vaccine schedule?

The Government list is pretty much OK by me though several of these are just as reasonable, I think it's more important to get cracking and get on with doing it than spending time on making the priority list the fairest it could ever be.
 
Guaranteed to backfire and result in lower, not higher levels of vaccine uptake.

Also who would enforce it? Medics can't be expected to, and police can't be trusted because they can't even be trusted to spell their own fucking names right half the time.
Just make it a condition for doing pretty much anything.
 
Guaranteed to backfire and result in lower, not higher levels of vaccine uptake.

Also who would enforce it? Medics can't be expected to, and police can't be trusted because they can't even be trusted to spell their own fucking names right half the time.
Society has plenty of means of enforcing compliance on individuals without resorting to actual force, No vaccine, no travel, no vaccine then can't attend school, no vaccine, it's a condition of your employment and so forth. Education is and always will be much better of course.
Once you get into pressuring people to have it then you do hit the freedom of choice issue of course but all societies to some degree expect the individual to surrender some rights in order to benefit (and gain benefit from) the community.
As well as the issue of what rights individuals are willing to sacrifice there is the issue of what rights everyone else is willing to allow them to keep. Is someone's right to refuse a vaccine worth more than someone else's right not to be at risk of dying from that virus? Especially if the second someone is willing to take the vaccine but can't for genuine reasons? What if the next mutation of the damn thing kills 1 in 10 rather than 1 in a 100?
My opinion (and others may feel diferently) is that there is no right to refuse a vaccine and all vaccines should be mandatory except for medical grounds only, no right to refuse for religous or personal reasons.
 
Perhaps they ought to design a vaccine that makes people sneeze, cough, spew and crap out spike proteins :hmm:
 
Society has plenty of means of enforcing compliance on individuals without resorting to actual force, No vaccine, no travel, no vaccine then can't attend school, no vaccine, it's a condition of your employment and so forth. Education is and always will be much better of course.
Once you get into pressuring people to have it then you do hit the freedom of choice issue of course but all societies to some degree expect the individual to surrender some rights in order to benefit (and gain benefit from) the community.
As well as the issue of what rights individuals are willing to sacrifice there is the issue of what rights everyone else is willing to allow them to keep. Is someone's right to refuse a vaccine worth more than someone else's right not to be at risk of dying from that virus? Especially if the second someone is willing to take the vaccine but can't for genuine reasons? What if the next mutation of the damn thing kills 1 in 10 rather than 1 in a 100?
My opinion (and others may feel diferently) is that there is no right to refuse a vaccine and all vaccines should be mandatory except for medical grounds only, no right to refuse for religous or personal reasons.

I've been advised by a doctor not to have vaccines after previous severe reactions. I do not have a doctor's note saying 'exempt from vaccines' because I have never needed one. If that changes then me and a lot of other people will have to go and waste our GPs' time, during a pandemic, to get such a note. The GP who gave me the advice is long retired so I'll have to convince my new GP that I have a legitimate reason for being exempt, at a time when every covidiot in the land will be giving their doctors the exact same line. And I'll have to do it soon or risk unemployment and all sorts of other unpleasant stuff you've got planned for me.

And that's probably not even in the top five reasons why compulsory vaccination is a shit idea.
 
I've been advised by a doctor not to have vaccines after previous severe reactions. I do not have a doctor's note saying 'exempt from vaccines' because I have never needed one. If that changes then me and a lot of other people will have to go and waste our GPs' time, during a pandemic, to get such a note. The GP who gave me the advice is long retired so I'll have to convince my new GP that I have a legitimate reason for being exempt, at a time when every covidiot in the land will be giving their doctors the exact same line. And I'll have to do it soon or risk unemployment and all sorts of other unpleasant stuff you've got planned for me.

And that's probably not even in the top five reasons why compulsory vaccination is a shit idea.
I suspect the number of people who might have an allergic reaction to the vaccine is small but regardless of how large it is then if it came to compulsory vaccination then Yes I would expect you to go back to the Dr's and ask for a note. Why not? Do you feel that you not wanting to make a trip to the GP is more important than the lives of your fellow citizens? You're pretty much using the same excuse as people not bothering to self-isolate or ignoring mixing restrictions.
 
I've been advised by a doctor not to have vaccines after previous severe reactions. I do not have a doctor's note saying 'exempt from vaccines' because I have never needed one. If that changes then me and a lot of other people will have to go and waste our GPs' time, during a pandemic, to get such a note. The GP who gave me the advice is long retired so I'll have to convince my new GP that I have a legitimate reason for being exempt, at a time when every covidiot in the land will be giving their doctors the exact same line. And I'll have to do it soon or risk unemployment and all sorts of other unpleasant stuff you've got planned for me.

And that's probably not even in the top five reasons why compulsory vaccination is a shit idea.

I would revisit that decision by your doctor ages ago tbh. It might be like all those people that have a penicillin 'allergy' that had a slight rash once and were told not to have it at the time which is turning out to be bad advice.
 
I would revisit that decision by your doctor ages ago tbh. It might be like all those people that have a penicillin 'allergy' that had a slight rash once and were told not to have it at the time which is turning out to be bad advice.
my dad has recently been told similar. After believing he was allergic for most of his life.
 
A guy I know from the synagogue just had his. Great news obviously but I don't know how he got it because he's not that old and doesn't work in the medical field, although he probably has some sort of condition I don't know about.

Edit : never mind he does work for the NHS, which he wasn't last time I saw him :D
 
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I've been advised by a doctor not to have vaccines after previous severe reactions. I do not have a doctor's note saying 'exempt from vaccines' because I have never needed one. If that changes then me and a lot of other people will have to go and waste our GPs' time, during a pandemic, to get such a note. The GP who gave me the advice is long retired so I'll have to convince my new GP that I have a legitimate reason for being exempt, at a time when every covidiot in the land will be giving their doctors the exact same line. And I'll have to do it soon or risk unemployment and all sorts of other unpleasant stuff you've got planned for me.

And that's probably not even in the top five reasons why compulsory vaccination is a shit idea.

If this is the case, it should certainly be included in your medical records, so it won't (or shouldn't) simply be a question of taking your (or anybody's) word for it.

On the question of compulsion, I don't imagine there will actually be that many front line health or care workers who will refuse to take it, but if there are a few, I think it's worth considering the idea that they shouldn't be able to work as front-line staff with vulnerable people for the foreseeable future.
 
Apparently it's a no if you're pregnant or breastfeeding but not the same in the states?
 
I would revisit that decision by your doctor ages ago tbh. It might be like all those people that have a penicillin 'allergy' that had a slight rash once and were told not to have it at the time which is turning out to be bad advice.

Edit: The doctor who advised me against getting certain vaccinations had more pertinent information at their disposal than you do.

The fact of people with, at best, half a clue thinking they're in a position to decide which total strangers do or do not have a good reason not to be vaccinated is exactly why compulsory vaccination has to be an unequivocal no. It would also be unenforcable, barring a few make-an-example type arbitrary punishments or restrictions which would, as they always do, only really hurt the poor and the weak. And most importantly, it wouldn't fucking work. It'd be an absolute gift to conspiraloons, the far right and non-aligned idiots eveywhere. It is the single worst idea since keeping a bat and a pangolin in the same fucking box.
 
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You're pretty much using the same excuse as people not bothering to self-isolate or ignoring mixing restrictions.

Well fuck you very much for saying that. When (if) it comes round to my turn to get vaccinated for covid I will seek medical advice and follow it. But existing medical advice is not an 'excuse'. The last vaccine I had made me more sick than I've ever been from anything else, ever. So I'm not going to accept being lumped into the same category as rat-lickers and people wilfully putting others at risk for the sake of their own convenience or amusement.
 
Spain is keeping a register of refuseniks - probably a good idea. But they say 'refuse for any reason' so I hope they draw a distinction between those who can't have the vaccine for medical reasons and selfish twats.

 
The oldest people should get it first. Then, it can get a full human trial. If it doesn't work only old people will die, and there's a lot of them. If it kills off all the old people there will be the advantage that pension payments will be reduced, and there'll be savings made by not having to spend so much on health care. It would be a triple win, human tested vaccine, savings on pensions, and health care savings.

I suggested the above to someone who thought it could be a good idea. I hope he was no more serious than I am.
 
Edit: The doctor who advised me against getting certain vaccinations had more pertinent information at their disposal than you do.

The fact of people with, at best, half a clue thinking they're in a position to decide which total strangers do or do not have a good reason not to be vaccinated is exactly why compulsory vaccination has to be an unequivocal no. It would also be unenforcable, barring a few make-an-example type arbitrary punishments or restrictions which would, as they always do, only really hurt the poor and the weak. And most importantly, it wouldn't fucking work. It'd be an absolute gift to conspiraloons, the far right and non-aligned idiots eveywhere. It is the single worst idea since keeping a bat and a pangolin in the same fucking box.

Whatever, just you were the one that said it was a long time ago and was a doctor that's since retired, if it were me I'd ask another doctor or specialist given it's a new vaccine with different constituent parts that has the potential to save your life. Was only some friendly advice, not telling you what to do.
 
Whatever, just you were the one that said it was a long time ago and was a doctor that's since retired, if it were me I'd ask another doctor or specialist given it's a new vaccine with different constituent parts that has the potential to save your life. Was only some friendly advice, not telling you what to do.

I will get a doctor's advice if and when I'm due to be vaccinated. I was able to put that together without your input. But the fact remains there will be people for whom the covid vaccine will not be appropriate and those people will have very legitimate concerns about any talk of compulsory vaccination. Telling people with those kinds of concerns that their doctors are wrong is not a valid response to that.
 
Spain is keeping a register of refuseniks - probably a good idea. But they say 'refuse for any reason' so I hope they draw a distinction between those who can't have the vaccine for medical reasons and selfish twats.

Several people on here seem unwilling or unable to draw that distinction, sadly.
 
Telling people with those kinds of concerns that their doctors are wrong is not a valid response to that.

Lucky nobody on here has done that then.

FFS calm down, there aren't 'several people on here' doing that, nobody has said medical exemptions aren't OK, and I gave some friendly advice. Stop being so touchy on this.
 
Assuming that the vaccines will stop those vaccinated from passing on the virus, not certain yet, then the problem will be getting enough willing people enough vaccine in the first place. Vaccinating the whole country, let alone the world, is such a huge undertaking that it's not worth anyone getting their knickers in a twist about a few, or even quite a lot of, people refusing it.
 
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