How has Brexit actually affected you so far?

[machine cat]

Who's we?

Not you

 

[Orang Utan]

Not you

Very poor. Who's we?

 

[inva]

Possibly, but there are several million cunts in this country who think just like that.

nah, if they were real they're one of a tiny minority of weirdos. I mean, they've named themselves after a lord of the rings character.

 

[machine cat]

Yes that I was born and live in London, it's not a secret.

So how does it lead you to these earlier assumptions? Given that You don't know how I voted. You don't know how Tory policies already affect me nor how long that has been going on. I am not in shock or depressed.

Go on...

 

[Treacle Toes]

Go on...

Okay, so you can't actually explain what lead you to those assumptions apart from the fact that I live in London so it must be true?

 

[machine cat]

Very poor. Who's we?

Like I said. Not you

 

[machine cat]

Can't be arsed with this

 

[Spymaster]

nah, if they were real they're one of a tiny minority of weirdos.

I wish you were right. Unfortunately the majority of "leavers" that I've encountered outside of this website have expressed similar, if not quite so troll-like, sentiments. Check out any of the vox-pops that are being broadcast at the moment and "we've taken back our country" is the overwhelming feeling being expressed. I'm sure someone'll be along to say that's what the media is intent on broadcasting, but that's horseshit. That's one of the primary reasons people have voted as they have.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Can't be arsed with this

Stop throwing ridiculous accusations/assumptions around then. Yes, it's fucking boring.

 

[Orang Utan]

Can't be arsed with this

Cos you don't even know who 'we' is.

 

[two sheds]

I'll stand by that. Anyone who voted leave has contributed to the same cause which racist have voted for and encouraged them, unwillingly in many cases, but that's what they've done.

Have a look at this.

Now stop pretending you're getting one over on me and fuck off, you lickspittle cunt.

I have to say I'm confused by all this, too, Spy.

The bloke on that thread is obviously trolling, but could a revolutionary socialist tell me the difference in choice of words and also difference in results between liberal cunts calling working class people racist and revolutionary socialists calling working class people racist?

Or are all the people on that thread liberal cunts except the OP?

 

[inva]

I wish you were right. Unfortunately the majority of "leavers" that I've encountered outside of this website have expressed similar, if not quite so troll-like, sentiments. Check out any of the vox-pops that are being broadcast at the moment and "we've taken back our country" is the overwhelming feeling being expressed. I'm sure someone'll be along to say that's what the media is intent on broadcasting, but that's horseshit. That's one of the primary reasons people have voted as they have.

ah sorry, I worded myself badly, I meant in the sense of their character being some sort of fantasy role play fascist type

 

[DotCommunist]

MC seems to be implying theres no poor areas of london and that everyone there is part of the metropolitan elite etc

clearly nonsense on stilts.

Or are all the people on that thread liberal cunts except the OP?

its a far righter.

 

[treelover]

I have to say I'm confused by all this, too, Spy.

The bloke on that thread is obviously trolling, but could a revolutionary socialist tell me the difference in choice of words and also difference in results between liberal cunts calling working class people racist and revolutionary socialists calling working class people racist?

Or are all the people on that thread liberal cunts except the OP?

The British industrial working class has historically been a phenomenal force for progress. It created the Trade Union movement, brought about universal male suffrage, launched the Labour Party, and despite or probably because of bearing the brunt of two world wars and the Depression, it voted in the Welfare State in 1945. The British working class, however, was fatally defeated when the miners strike was broken in 1985 and then atomised by Thatcher's de-industrialisation policy. Today those people whom the media and the Anti-Corbyn LP variously call the "traditional working class", the "white working class", "traditional Labour voters" are marginalised, economically insignificant, with a low level political consciousness and they are getting older. Marx would have defined most of them as lumpen-proletariat, with some progressing into the petit-bourgeoisie - both classes that have historically been the bedrock of fascism. Labour cannot and should not spend all its energies chasing these people's votes at any cost (i.e. colluding with ignorant racism, islamophobia and xenophobia) and needs to look forward and find new constituencies such as young people with precarious employment and insecure accommodation, including the children of the traditional working class and of BAME communities, as well as the masses of ex-students who are saddled with monstrous debts.

Like this on the Momentum private forums?

 

[seventh bullet]

Jesus.

 

[Pingu]

the price of Brie has gone up slightly in Sainsburys compared to last week but mainly i am worried that the pounds nosedive against the Peso will mean Nachos get more expensive

 

[redsquirrel]

The bloke on that thread is obviously trolling, but could a revolutionary socialist tell me the difference in choice of words and also difference in results between liberal cunts calling working class people racist and revolutionary socialists calling working class people racist?

What a pathetic question, if you can't see the difference between calling a nationalist troll a racist wanker and calling 17.4m people racists because of their vote on the question of whether to leave the EU or not then you're utterly blind.

 

[ginger_syn]

It's starting to pass me off because of all of the spite and bile that is flying about.

 

[RubyToogood]

Realising how many of my friends are not British citizens,including several that I had no idea were not, and who feel really unwelcome all of a sudden, and are wondering whether despite jobs, homes, family, friends and decades spent here, in some cases even being born here, their future is really here after all.

Also including a mixed race friend who grew up in rural France (you can imagine what that was like) and settled here because she just blends into the background here - who had a little rant about how the attitude she'd left France to get away from had followed her here and hunted her down.

I have been having to do a lot of moral support and take part in anxious conversations with various people about their children's right to British citizenship.

 

[Manter]

One (possibly) unintended consequence of Brexit;

Theresa May has appealed the family reunifications under Dublin 3 that have slowly but surely been bringing unaccompanied children from Calais to reunite with their families here.

Brexit and the current uncertainty about what laws we are covered by and how long for means the courts may very well not be sympathetic. So 150 children (most of whom, remember, weren't unaccompanied when they started the journey) face being abandoned in the mud, hunger and abuse of Calais.

It goes to court on Thursday.

Struggling to get enough donations to feed and shelter refugees in Calais as it is- there are families in tents, new arrivals sleeping under tarps. It will get worse with a recession and now the kids may not make it over. This is unbelievably depressing.

 

[Pickman's model]

One (possibly) unintended consequence of Brexit;

Theresa May has appealed the family reunifications under Dublin 3 that have slowly but surely been bringing unaccompanied children from Calais to reunite with their families here.

Brexit and the current uncertainty about what laws we are covered by and how long for means the courts may very well not be sympathetic. So 150 children (most of whom, remember, weren't unaccompanied when they started the journey) face being abandoned in the mud, hunger and abuse of Calais.

It goes to court on Thursday.

Struggling to get enough donations to feed and shelter refugees in Calais as it is- there are families in tents, new arrivals sleeping under tarps. It will get worse with a recession and now the kids may not make it over. This is unbelievably depressing.

Surely atm we are solid members of the EU, legally. No attempt to invoke article 50 has yet been made. And even after that EU law must remain paramount until the time negotiations are concluded and we are EU members no more.

 

[not-bono-ever]

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Scotland have made their first move

 

[Manter]

Surely atm we are solid members of the EU, legally. No attempt to invoke article 50 has yet been made. And even after that EU law must remain paramount until the time negotiations are concluded and we are EU members no more.

Judicial conservatism. The judgement was a bit of a legal reach, basically- saying children should come here and *then* their cases be examined. In an environment where we don't know what happens next and whether the Dublin 3 agreement will even apply, judges are expected to be less sympathetic to pushing the boundaries. The argument for continuing the current (painfully slow) reconciliations is 'nothing's changed' but the barristers are apparently not hopeful as, well, that's bollocks really isn't it?

 

[Wilhelmina.Trav]

Halfway through the process of getting the keys to our first permanent cafe/restaurant premises, after many years of work. Now delaying/on hold until we can figure out how bad this is going to be.
A looming recession plus rising oil, import & food costs could produce an absolute clusterfuck for a trade with notorious failure rates & wafer-thin margins. Staffing as well. Meh.

Yea it doesn't look good. I hope your business works out for you.

Evey

 

[ska invita]

EDIT: This is a great example of possible opportunities that Brexit has provided, facing up to the Tories and demanding that they have to pay. Anyone who claims to be progressive/left-wing/whatever should be getting out there and supporting them. This is a, potentially anyway, positive thing. And some people are attacking it. Christ

Let me get this straight: the "opportunity" that exit has given us in this case is for the Tories to easily deepen austerity (by not renewing EU spending projects/budgets), and the "opportunity" for us is that we can get to try and resist these cuts, and thats potentially a positive thing? The last 6 years hasn't been going too well on that front, so forgive me of I'm not that "buzzing" about the prospect of failing to stop even more Tory cuts and seeing poor regions get even poorer.

Im trying to be optimistic and see the positives of Exit but this "great example" of regional spending definitely isn't one of them.

Bingo

 

[Libertad]

One (possibly) unintended consequence of Brexit;

Theresa May has appealed the family reunifications under Dublin 3 that have slowly but surely been bringing unaccompanied children from Calais to reunite with their families here.

Brexit and the current uncertainty about what laws we are covered by and how long for means the courts may very well not be sympathetic. So 150 children (most of whom, remember, weren't unaccompanied when they started the journey) face being abandoned in the mud, hunger and abuse of Calais.

It goes to court on Thursday.

Struggling to get enough donations to feed and shelter refugees in Calais as it is- there are families in tents, new arrivals sleeping under tarps. It will get worse with a recession and now the kids may not make it over. This is unbelievably depressing.

Manter are there donations/help from within France itself? Are the CGT and the CNT-F helping out? Are their any donations from the regions in France outside of the Pas-de-Calais/Nord/Somme area?

 

[Manter]

Manter are there donations/help from within France itself? Are the CGT and the CNT-F helping out? Are their any donations from the regions in France outside of the Pas-de-Calais/Nord/Somme area?

Yes but just not enough. And there are camps across France- so what effort there is is spread across the country.

We, the UK, have so few refugees here, and we can't support them properly. And we're struggling to get anyone to care about Calais too. It's so very very sad

 

[Libertad]

Yes but just not enough. And there are camps across France- so what effort there is is spread across the country.

We, the UK, have so few refugees here, and we can't support them properly. And we're struggling to get anyone to care about Calais too. It's so very very sad

It is, it's heartbreaking. I appreciate what you and others are doing Manter, it's important work and speaks volumes about you.

 

[Manter]

It is, it's heartbreaking. I appreciate what you and others are doing Manter, it's important work and speaks volumes about you.

Sweet of you to say- I really do appreciate it. But it feels like shouting in an empty room, honestly it does. So much need, so much totally unnecessary suffering and we live in an environment where racist incidents have gone up over 56%. How do we get heard? How do we explain that refugees are. I threat? How do we get back to a point where they are given their basic rights?

Mate was delivering food for ifthar last night and got tear gassed. CRS used to be a bit careful about teargassing volunteers. Apparently very violent with the refugees they caught trying to cross, too. We sort of hoped they'd say 'fuck it'- but apparently just really pissed off.

 

[twentythreedom]

Mehxit