How has Brexit actually affected you so far?

[Winot]

But then I'm a metropolitan liberal.

 

[Poi E]

No idea

Hint: involves more of the same.

 

[Duncan2]

That's my favoured option. Needs a new Labour leader though.

Do you seriously think that Labour would win such an Election cos I don't.

 

[Winot]

Do you seriously think that Labour would win such an Election cos I don't.

Not sure. Depends on leader and their performance. Tories would be in disarray though if EU was focus.

 

[machine cat]

Oh well. I'm sure the metropolitan liberals will think of something.

Of course. They know better than us.

 

[andysays]

The more I look as it the more this is a truly disgusting post.

You have a council of a deprived area attempting to make sure that it's services and facilities can be maintained by putting pressure on the government and rather than standing solidly behind that, you attack them. You're a fucking disgrace.

EDIT: This is a great example of possible opportunities that Brexit has provided, facing up to the Tories and demanding that they have to pay. Anyone who claims to be progressive/left-wing/whatever should be getting out there and supporting them. This is a, potentially anyway, positive thing. And some people are attacking it. Christ

Taking this a step forward, I hope that councils and other groups in all areas (whether they voted Leave or Remain, whether they are considered deprived by the EU or not) demand that any EU support they are likely to lose as a result of Exit is made up by central government.

That is one (and only one) of the ways in which this result gives us an opportunity to push for the sort of social and economic changes we as real communities want, rather than merely passively accepting the crumbs which the EU allows us and passively assuming that if the EU will no longer allow them, we must necessarily accept we can't have them anymore.

In other words we have to start to struggle on our own behalf again, rather than rely on the (supposed) largesse of the European superstate.

 

[Duncan2]

Not sure. Depends on leader and their performance. Tories would be in disarray though if EU was focus.

I must say I had difficulty believing that Powell was seriously suggesting that.On the other hand I don't know which senior Labour figure is going to step forward to lead Labour out of the EU?Ideally Corbyn but if he sees this result as unfortunate,if he does,then who?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Of course. They know better than us.

That's not really fair though is it?

What now is a relevant question isn't it?

 

[andysays]

Yes, specifically against Ken livingstone. I voted for Khan last time. Big difference between voting for a local mayor for 4 years who we can subsequently vote out, and ticking the same box as a fuck-load of racists in an absolutely irreversable decision that the left have no plan to take advantage of.

I can understand you not voting for Livingstone (I didn't vote for him either) but if you actively voted for Johnson, you might want to reconsider your repeated tarring of everyone who voted for Leave as automatically tarred with the Farage/anti-immigrant/racist brush (and please don't pretend you haven't done this, because we both know you have)

 

[two sheds]

That's my favoured option. Needs a new Labour leader though.

Not enough - I think it needs a whole new party, and they should show that it's new by calling it something like ... New Labour.

And what we really need is someone good and progressive to lead it. How about Tony Blair? He's been waiting for just this opportunity.

 

[machine cat]

What now is a relevant question isn't it?

Yes it is

 

[Spymaster]

I can understand you not voting for Livingstone (I didn't vote for him either) but if you actively voted for Johnson, you might want to reconsider your repeated tarring of everyone who voted for Leave as automatically tarred with the Farage/anti-immigrant/racist brush (and please don't pretend you haven't done this, because we both know you have)

Oh fuck off.

I haven't tarred them with the same brush at all, you twat. That would be to suggest that I believe they share his politics which they very obviously don't.

What I have said is that the vote they casted was the same as the one that he did, and in doing so they have (however unwillingly) contributed to his cause, which was to exit the EU.

 

[machine cat]

Go on then. How should we have voted? Tell me please cos I'm not part of the bubble and just thick.

 

[Winot]

I must say I had difficulty believing that Powell was seriously suggesting that.On the other hand I don't know which senior Labour figure is going to step forward to lead Labour out of the EU?Ideally Corbyn but if he sees this result as unfortunate,if he does,then who?

I don't actually think there will be a GE before 2020 but I do think Labour will be fighting it with a new leader who is broadly pro-EU.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yes it is

So can we talk about it? I think people are genuinely interested in hearing your position/thoughts.

 

[Winot]

Go on then. How should we have voted? Tell me please cos I'm not part of the bubble and just thick.

I can understand why people voted Leave.

I think it's the wrong decision.

I think it's a failure of the political class over the last few decades that the situation has ended up as it has.

 

[machine cat]

So can we talk about it? I think people are genuinely interested in hearing your position/thoughts.

I can understand why people voted Leave.

I think it's the wrong decision.

I think it's a failure of the political class over the last few decades that the situation has ended up as it has.

Failure of the political class and failure of the metropolitan middle class. You only care now because tory policies might affect you. You hate us. We voted the 'wrong' way.

No one is in shock or depressed up here after yesterday. We're having a fucking ball. Really

 

[andysays]

Oh fuck off.

I haven't tarred them with the same brush at all, you twat. That would be to suggest that I believe they share his politics which they very obviously don't.

What I have said is that the vote they casted was the same as the one that he did, and in doing so they have (however unwillingly) contributed to his cause, which was to exit the EU.

No, that's not what you've said, you've explicitly said that Leave voters have contributed to the cause encouraging racism, but I'm not interested in getting involved in a protracted argument with you on this point, because the posts where you've said that are there for anyone who wants to to make their own mind up.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Failure of the political class and failure of the metropolitan middle class. You only care now because tory policies might affect you. You hate us. We voted the 'wrong' way.

No one is in shock or depressed up here after yesterday. We're having a fucking ball. Really

You don't know how I voted.
You don't know how Tory policies already affect me nor how long that has been going on.
I am not in shock or depressed.

 

[machine cat]

You don't know how I voted.
You don't know how Tory policies already affect me nor how long that has been going on.
I am not in shock or depressed.

Londoner?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Londoner?

Born and breed. What does that mean to you?

 

[machine cat]

Born and breed. What does that mean to you?

Exactly

 

[Treacle Toes]

Exactly

Exactly what?

 

[Spymaster]

No, that's not what you've said, you've explicitly said that Leave voters have contributed to the cause encouraging racism ...

I'll stand by that. Anyone who voted leave has contributed to the same cause which racist have voted for and encouraged them, unwillingly in many cases, but that's what they've done.

Have a look at this.

Now stop pretending you're getting one over on me and fuck off, you lickspittle cunt.

 

[machine cat]

Exactly what?

Means what it means

 

[chilango]

Failure of the political class and failure of the metropolitan middle class. You only care now because tory policies might affect you. You hate us. We voted the 'wrong' way.

No one is in shock or depressed up here after yesterday. We're having a fucking ball. Really

Well, I hope you've got a plan for how to defend yourselves after you've finished celebrating 'cos the political class are gonna make you pay for this, and right now they'll get the full backing of metropolitan middle class.

 

[inva]

Have a look at this.

a banned returner pretending to be a nationalist?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Means what it means

Yes that I was born and live in London, it's not a secret.

So how does it lead you to these earlier assumptions? Given that You don't know how I voted. You don't know how Tory policies already affect me nor how long that has been going on. I am not in shock or depressed.

Failure of the political class and failure of the metropolitan middle class. You only care now because tory policies might affect you. You hate us. We voted the 'wrong' way.

No one is in shock or depressed up here after yesterday. We're having a fucking ball. Really

 

[Orang Utan]

Failure of the political class and failure of the metropolitan middle class. You only care now because tory policies might affect you. You hate us. We voted the 'wrong' way.

No one is in shock or depressed up here after yesterday. We're having a fucking ball. Really

Who's we?

 

[Spymaster]

a banned returner pretending to be a nationalist?

Possibly, but there are several million cunts in this country who think just like that.