Hong Kong: what next?

[Yossarian]

There still seems to be very broad support for the protesters - I've heard a couple of pro-Beijing types claim that attendance at protests is down somewhat, if true I reckon it's probably more to do with the cops shooting people's eyes out and carrying out mass arrests than any sudden change of heart about the extradition bill, etc.

 

[Yossarian]

After seeing video of the police savagery on Aug. 11, this whistleblower's account to NOW TV seems very believable.

A nurse working in a North District Hospital treating one of the HK protestors claimed grievous injuries observed - only a layer of skin stretching between fractured bones. She was shocked by the power of the blunt force truma which caused such injuries.

Some of the injured protestors were only 16-17 years old, with unusual bruises all over their bodies. Some even had serious bone fractures. Some of them had chest bone fractures and there was not much they could do to help, other than preventing the broken bones from punching through the lungs. Those with ribcage fractures suffered extreme pain when they merely tried to sit up or eat. All these protestors in the hospital claimed that they were beaten up by the police.

Each arrested person in the observation ward of the emergency room was guarded by around 5 police officers. The police requested that all treatment rooms to be under their surveillance. Even in small wards/rooms, there were 30-40 police inside, even when the injured were receiving treatments; this is in an act of intimidation. Police officers demanded to supervise the hospital staff, minimally through a gap between the curtains. It was humiliating as the cleaning of wounds involved intimate parts of the body being exposed.

Over 50 people were arrested and sent to San Uk Lang detention center in Man Kam To in 811 clash between the police and the demonstrators. Police claimed that only 1 person was sent to a hospital on the scene, over 30 people were first sent San Uk Lang before being transferred to a hospital later as requested, with 6 of them had bone fractures. The police emphasized that the injuries were the result of resistance against arrest. They also claimed that they divided those people according to the condition of their injuries and security arrangement, as they need to arrange 2-3 police to accompany each arrested individual to a hospital.

 

[Tacit Apathy]

After seeing video of the police savagery on Aug. 11, this whistleblower's account to NOW TV seems very believable.

The r/hongkong subreddit has had very good coverage of what's going on in the streets, with a lot of videos that later make their way to the MSM. They're also memeing fairly heavily about Xi so don't visit if you'd like to keep a good social credit score

 

[WWWeed]

Looks like the Chinese military have now crossed the border. Sorry I've been a bit out of the loop for the last week or so.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Looks like the Chinese military have now crossed the border. Sorry I've been a bit out of the loop for the last week or so.

The Chinese are claiming it's routine rotation of new troops to the Hong Kong garrison.

Chinese troop movement into Hong Kong prompts unease

 

[Yossarian]

It's apparently right on schedule for a routine rotation, although there are rumours that the troops already there might not be rotated out so soon.

A major's reported words to troops departing for Hong Kong are unsettling: "This time the task has a glorious mission. The responsibility is great. The job is difficult. The time for a true test has arrived!"

 

[Yossarian]

"Arrest the protest leaders."

"But it's a leaderless movement, and..."

"I said ARREST THEM!"

The group said police had arrested Wong at about 7.30am, bundling him into a private car while on his way to South Horizons MTR Station.

Joshua Wong, Agnes Chow arrested over protest - RTHK

 

[Yossarian]

Least surprising news ever:

The Chinese central government rejected Lam’s proposal to withdraw the extradition bill and ordered her not to yield to any of the protesters’ other demands at that time, three individuals with direct knowledge of the matter told Reuters.

Exclusive: Amid crisis, China rejected Hong Kong plan to appease protesters - sources - Reuters

With protests banned, pro-democracy leaders being bundled into cars and taken away, fresh PLA troops in the barracks, and a general strike planned for Monday and Tuesday, it does feel like a decisive moment could be approaching - I've been wary of making any dire predictions but I will not be surprised if people get killed in the next few days.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Does look like both the China & HK governments have had enough, I hope people don't end-up being killed.

 

[teqniq]

 

[Yossarian]

It's a very impressive turnout - every person there is breaking the law and could face a prison sentence for taking part in an illegal protest.

 

[teqniq]

The authorities really don't seem to get the 'there are no leaders' part. Witness their arrest of prominent activists I imagine in the hopes that it will somehow put the brakes on things. But yet still the protests continue. We could all learn a lot from them here i think.

 

[teqniq]

More pics on this thread

 

[Poi E]

Spoke to my mate there. He's out of the protest game and fucking off. Had some trouble with the cops.

 

[ska invita]

Im totally in awe of the people of HK
The level of commitment and tactics is another level
I know Im being massively hopeful, but I actually think they might just win this in the long run, purely based on the fact that it would take some serious terrorising to ever break this movement
I wish there was some way to support from here

 

[Poi E]

How can you possibly win against the might of the CCP?

Have had two FB links sent to me about police actions in HK and FB has taken them down after a few hours.

 

[ash]

Im totally in awe of the people of HK
The level of commitment and tactics is another level
I know Im being massively hopeful, but I actually think they might just win this in the long run, purely based on the fact that it would take some serious terrorising to ever break this movement
I wish there was some way to support from here

A friend of mine who worked in both HK and Singapore for long periods a couple of decades ago had some interesting insights.
He said in Singapore at work or in a taxi if you mentioned anything political they would shut you up and not want to talk a about it. It was the opposite in HK everyone wanted to join in and have their say - reflected in the way they are organising and the persistence we are seeing here - so brave and committed.

 

[ska invita]

How can you possibly win against the might of the CCP?

If they were on the mainland then yes, but there IS still a difference between HK and the mainland, and thats what this is all about

 

[maomao]

A friend of mine who worked in both HK and Singapore for long periods a couple of decades ago had some interesting insights.
He said in Singapore at work or in a taxi if you mentioned anything political they would shut you up and not want to talk a about it. It was the opposite in HK everyone wanted to join in and have their say - reflected in the way they are organising and the persistence we are seeing here - so brave and committed.

Singapore's politics are possibly worse than China's. It's a multiparty system where only one party's ever been in power. Public services are openly cut back in districts that vote against the PAP. In a world of fake democracies it's possibly the fakest.

 

[Mon]

Being a Hong Konger, just wonder how does the world outside see what's going on in Hong Kong, and how much of the western world knows about the other side of the story
Moon Blue

 

[Sue]

Being a Hong Konger, just wonder how does the world outside see what's going on in Hong Kong, and how much of the western world knows about the other side of the story
Moon Blue

 

[Poi E]

Yup, the CCP are fucking everywhere. Fuck off, Mon.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Being a Hong Konger, just wonder how does the world outside see what's going on in Hong Kong, and how much of the western world knows about the other side of the story
Moon Blue

There's a right side, and no other side.

 

[Rimbaud]

Being a Hong Konger, just wonder how does the world outside see what's going on in Hong Kong, and how much of the western world knows about the other side of the story
Moon Blue

滚开，五毛垃圾

 

[Artaxerxes]

Being a Hong Konger, just wonder how does the world outside see what's going on in Hong Kong, and how much of the western world knows about the other side of the story
Moon Blue

Nah.

 

[treelover]

ome of the injured protestors were only 16-17 years old, with unusual bruises all over their bodies. Some even had serious bone fractures. Some of them had chest bone fractures and there was not much they could do to help, other than preventing the broken bones from punching through the lungs. Those with ribcage fractures suffered extreme pain when they merely tried to sit up or eat. All these protestors in the hospital claimed that they were beaten up by the police.

Will these sort of severe injuries heal over time?

 

[treelover]

Is that a rubber bullet weapon,

these could be special forces, who could tell?

 

[WWWeed]

Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam to withdraw extradition bill

 

[ska invita]

Great news. I wonder if that will stop the protests though...must be so exhausted, though I imagine getting prisoners released will be on people's minds

 

[Yossarian]

It's a step in the right direction - especially after yet more police violence on the weekend - but probably way too little, too late. The time for this move should have been June, not in September, when one of the main protest slogans is "All five demands, not one less."