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Yes, definitely. But it only needs a 2 or 3 months unlike cider and wine which will carry on getting better for a few years or longer depending on the variety.

This depends on the style of beer.
A Belgian Tripple or Duvel style like the Brewferm kits appreciates 6 months minimum aging and best at 18-24 months (from experience) but you generally find most bottles do not get past the 12 month aging.

I'm about to start a 2 gallon barley wine extract to my own recipe that will not be touched until 2016.
 
This depends on the style of beer.
A Belgian Tripple or Duvel style like the Brewferm kits appreciates 6 months minimum aging and best at 18-24 months (from experience) but you generally find most bottles do not get past the 12 month aging.

I'm about to start a 2 gallon barley wine extract to my own recipe that will not be touched until 2016.

True. Stronger ones tend to age better
 
My homebrew was delicious in the end.

My bloody mate has gone awol though and its all locked in his cellar.
 
It finishes tomorrow so need to get in quick
I got two of the Milestone kits delivered to the store for £33. I've just put in one of their home brand (lol) real ale kits last night which a few people on the homebrew forums reckon is a re-branded wherry:hmm: I think that worked out about £16 for 40 pints:thumbs: I'll know if it's a wherry in a week or so.

Finally got round to doing the brewferm criggy beer. That's one dear pint at £14 for a 7 ltr kit but I hear it's the dogs bollocks if it gets six months in the bottle. Got me some of those nice pop bottle toppers to present them in :D
 
My brew is tasting great. Still a bit cloudy though :mad:

I think I need (a) some gas for my pressure barrel and (b) one of those float things.
 
Bottle discussion:

Screw caps vs Bottle caps vs flip tops? Pet vs glass?

Iv'e got a few carrier bags of manky beer bottles sitting around and I'm far too lazy to clean them all out. They're really minging. So, should I buy PET, Glass, screw, pop, flip or what?

If it's flip I think should I order myself a pile of grolsh bottles (3 for 5 quid) rather than buy them as they're at least quid each otherwise? I think I can be arsed to clean those up.

What does the wisdom of U75 recommend?
 
Bottle discussion:

Screw caps vs Bottle caps vs flip tops? Pet vs glass?

Iv'e got a few carrier bags of manky beer bottles sitting around and I'm far too lazy to clean them all out. They're really minging. So, should I buy PET, Glass, screw, pop, flip or what?

If it's flip I think should I order myself a pile of grolsh bottles (3 for 5 quid) rather than buy them as they're at least quid each otherwise? I think I can be arsed to clean those up.

What does the wisdom of U75 recommend?
Get to your friendly local boozer and ask them to keep you the magners/hobgoblin/bulmers bottles they throw away every night. I've never paid for bottles other than the flip tops I put my special stuff in and they never leave my house. ;) ;)

I also have a load of pet ones I use for cider that were fizzy flavored water which my poor kids think is pop ;)
 
Bottle discussion:

Screw caps vs Bottle caps vs flip tops? Pet vs glass?

Iv'e got a few carrier bags of manky beer bottles sitting around and I'm far too lazy to clean them all out. They're really minging. So, should I buy PET, Glass, screw, pop, flip or what?

If it's flip I think should I order myself a pile of grolsh bottles (3 for 5 quid) rather than buy them as they're at least quid each otherwise? I think I can be arsed to clean those up.

What does the wisdom of U75 recommend?
I've been through this process, too! Here's a few of my thoughts.
  • Screw top - never really bothered with these. Many screw tops are quite flimsy, and I've found they tend to leak when retightened.
  • Crown cap - (what you call "bottle caps".) When I'm bottling in pints, this is my preferred option. You do need to check, unless you're not using a capper which needs to grip the neck of the bottle, that the bottle neck profile is suitable for your capper. I've even had some success, where I've had to let off excess pressure, lifting the crown cap and then recapping.
  • PET - if I am bottling for (say) a party, and don't want to use a keg, I bottle to 2l PET bottles. My experience is that they are easy, convenient, and can be used safely at least two or three times. After a while, though, the appearance of the bottle can begin to deteriorate, and some say that they become harder to clean properly with time, and may harbour bacteria. The biggest problem with them in my experience is that you really need to decant to a jug - repeatedly pouring individual glasses of beer soon stirs up the yeast sediment, and the last pint or so often gets cloudy.
  • Flip top - I've never used these extensively, as I haven't found a source of supply that's free (or cheap enough). I do use some 0.75l lemonade bottles, and they are definitely my preferred option.
As far as your manky bottles go, I agree that the biggest problem with brown glass beer bottles is getting them clean. I also find delabelling commercial bottles a right hassle.

What I suggest you do is to use one of your fermenting buckets to hold a good strong solution of VWP (or other preferred cleaner/steriliser) in very warm water, and get your manky bottles in there for a really good soak. I generally fill it about 2/3 full, and put each bottle in individually to fill them up enough that they won't float up. Then, when you've done them all, stack them neatly into the bucket, in more than one layer if necessary - you can top it up with water if you need to.

Leave them to soak for a few hours, assuming "manky" means you've got encrusted yeast deposits on the bottles. Then take each bottle out, part-empty it, and give it a damn good shake with your thumb over the top (a bottle brush is useful, too), before emptying them. If they're very manky, your water is going to pretty quickly end up fairly disgustingly full of bits of yeast and dead mould plaques, so in that case I'd usually give them a second clean in fresh solution, inspecting each one (hold it up to the light and peer down the neck) for any remaining deposits.

Then you need to rinse them, to avoid the chlorine taint, just before you fill them.

It sounds laborious, but I find I can get into a fairly good rhythm, and they get done pretty quickly. It's a good idea, when you're drinking beer from glass bottles, to remember to rinse them out immediately, before the yeast has a chance to dry onto them - then all you need to do is a light sterilise with VWP and rinse when you need to use them next.

It's purely subjective, but personally I find I get a great sense of pride when I bottle a batch to 40-odd pristine crown-capped brown glass bottles - I like the way that they're so clean they almost stick to your fingers when you pick them up.

And, of course, when I'm labelling them, I never use glue so strong that delabelling them again needs any more than a quick soak in warm solution - my glue of preference there is Pritt stick.

If you are reusing swing top bottles, it's worth pulling off the plastic cap from the ceramic top, and giving them a soak in steriliser before dropping them into clean water, taking each one out and reattaching it to the bottles as you fill them. You can get replacement caps when they start to wear or split.
 
I've been through this process, too! Here's a few of my thoughts.
  • Screw top - never really bothered with these. Many screw tops are quite flimsy, and I've found they tend to leak when retightened.
  • Crown cap - (what you call "bottle caps".) When I'm bottling in pints, this is my preferred option. You do need to check, unless you're not using a capper which needs to grip the neck of the bottle, that the bottle neck profile is suitable for your capper. I've even had some success, where I've had to let off excess pressure, lifting the crown cap and then recapping.
  • PET - if I am bottling for (say) a party, and don't want to use a keg, I bottle to 2l PET bottles. My experience is that they are easy, convenient, and can be used safely at least two or three times. After a while, though, the appearance of the bottle can begin to deteriorate, and some say that they become harder to clean properly with time, and may harbour bacteria. The biggest problem with them in my experience is that you really need to decant to a jug - repeatedly pouring individual glasses of beer soon stirs up the yeast sediment, and the last pint or so often gets cloudy.
  • Flip top - I've never used these extensively, as I haven't found a source of supply that's free (or cheap enough). I do use some 0.75l lemonade bottles, and they are definitely my preferred option.
As far as your manky bottles go, I agree that the biggest problem with brown glass beer bottles is getting them clean. I also find delabelling commercial bottles a right hassle.

What I suggest you do is to use one of your fermenting buckets to hold a good strong solution of VWP (or other preferred cleaner/steriliser) in very warm water, and get your manky bottles in there for a really good soak. I generally fill it about 2/3 full, and put each bottle in individually to fill them up enough that they won't float up. Then, when you've done them all, stack them neatly into the bucket, in more than one layer if necessary - you can top it up with water if you need to.

Leave them to soak for a few hours, assuming "manky" means you've got encrusted yeast deposits on the bottles. Then take each bottle out, part-empty it, and give it a damn good shake with your thumb over the top (a bottle brush is useful, too), before emptying them. If they're very manky, your water is going to pretty quickly end up fairly disgustingly full of bits of yeast and dead mould plaques, so in that case I'd usually give them a second clean in fresh solution, inspecting each one (hold it up to the light and peer down the neck) for any remaining deposits.

Then you need to rinse them, to avoid the chlorine taint, just before you fill them.

It sounds laborious, but I find I can get into a fairly good rhythm, and they get done pretty quickly. It's a good idea, when you're drinking beer from glass bottles, to remember to rinse them out immediately, before the yeast has a chance to dry onto them - then all you need to do is a light sterilise with VWP and rinse when you need to use them next.

It's purely subjective, but personally I find I get a great sense of pride when I bottle a batch to 40-odd pristine crown-capped brown glass bottles - I like the way that they're so clean they almost stick to your fingers when you pick them up.

And, of course, when I'm labelling them, I never use glue so strong that delabelling them again needs any more than a quick soak in warm solution - my glue of preference there is Pritt stick.

If you are reusing swing top bottles, it's worth pulling off the plastic cap from the ceramic top, and giving them a soak in steriliser before dropping them into clean water, taking each one out and reattaching it to the bottles as you fill them. You can get replacement caps when they start to wear or split.

Great post, cheers. Hadn't enen thought as far as labeling!

TX max have 0.75l lemonade bottles (with posh lemonade inside!) for £2.49. I think I might get a few of those. My next batch will probably be half bottles, half pressure barrel until I've built up a collection of bottles.

Do you have to store them upright because of sediment? That's going to be a bit of a ball ache as I can only fit them in my fridge laying down.
 
Also, would decanting from pressure barrel to bottles from time to time so there's always a few bottles in the fridge but keeping the bulk of the beer in a barrel be a bad idea? Will it make the beer go off?
 
Great post, cheers. Hadn't enen thought as far as labeling!

TX max have 0.75l lemonade bottles (with posh lemonade inside!) for £2.49. I think I might get a few of those. My next batch will probably be half bottles, half pressure barrel until I've built up a collection of bottles.

Do you have to store them upright because of sediment? That's going to be a bit of a ball ache as I can only fit them in my fridge laying down.
The bad news is that you do need to store them upright, yes. The good news is that you should not be storing them in the fridge.

When they're first bottled, they need to prime (secondary fermentation to gas them up), and condition, and that happens best at room temperature. Even after that, they really don't need to be chilled except if you're wanting to serve them cool, in which case you'll just need to chill them for a couple of hours prior to serving (or simply keep a small stock in the fridge and replenish as you use them).

Also, would decanting from pressure barrel to bottles from time to time so there's always a few bottles in the fridge but keeping the bulk of the beer in a barrel be a bad idea? Will it make the beer go off?
I wouldn't advise that, for a few reasons. First of all, pressure barrels work best when they're fuller - you'd need to keep on topping up with CO2 as you drew beer off, because you don't want oxygen in there with the beer - that'll make it go stale. Secondly, beer bottles are brown for a reason - it prevents the wavelengths of light getting through that can react with the alpha-acids from the hops to "skunk" the beer - most barrels are white, and won't protect against sunlight or fluorescent light. Thirdly, unless you don't might almost-flat beer, the process of transferring the beer from barrel to bottle will lose a lot of the beer's sparkle, and you probably don't want to be farting around with repriming it, not to mention the risk of introducing other nasties that might make the beer go off or vinegary.

Generally, handling it as little as possible is the way to go.
 
That's the thing. I'd like to serve them chilled now summer is coming up. That'd be my main reason for bottling over barrelling really. That and portability.
 
That's the thing. I'd like to serve them chilled now summer is coming up. That'd be my main reason for bottling over barrelling really. That and portability.
Sounds like your best bet might be to invest in a set of swing-top 500ml bottles, then. If I could bring myself to lay out the cash, that's what I'd do. As it is, I rely on my slowly-depleting (I give some beer away) stock of crown-capped 500ml bottles. Must chat up my publican friend for some Magners bottles some time...
 
These look promising: 1 litre flip top bottles for £1.75 each. Ikea.

http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/30213552/
Do check that they'll take the pressure. I did look at those, but they seemed somewhat lightweight to me, and I am not sure I'd really want exploding bottles on my conscience! :)

ETA: a quick read around the forums suggests that they are up to the job, and the greatest concerns is that they are clear, not brown.
 
As long as they're not from Green Goblin Cider. I seem to remember that they have a slightly bulbous neck and you can't cap them easily
It really pissed me off when the breweries started switching over to the different neck profiles - I don't know what the rationale was for it, but I keep bloody washing and delabelling bottles before I notice that they're unusable.

I may have to get a bench capper to get around the problem:
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Flip tops are the best solution as you can keep them clean and sterile very easily.
Once you open a bottle, wash it out immediately, have a spray bottle of Videne solution handy and give the bottle interior a good squirt and reseal.
Next time you fill them up, just empty out the Videne and your ready to go.

The ultimate solution is to have a keggorator and some cornies.
 
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