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Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

58 could have lived. Fucking hell. That's 17 more than the panel suggested.

As many as 58 victims of theHillsborough disastermight have been saved if theemergency serviceshad responded better, far more than estimated by the recent report into the 1989 tragedy.

The Hillsborough Independent Panel said last month that 41 of the 96Liverpoolfans who died could have survived if the response had been quicker. However, further analysis of the medical documentation has led to that figure being revised sharply upwards, according to sources close to the families' campaign for justice.
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Absolutely disgraceful. Did anyone even try, Tony Edwards the only ambulance man to get on the field to help the injured told Trevor Hicks. Lives could have been saved.
How did those pathologists and the Coroner get it so wrong. i would think them incompetent if they got a few cases wrong, and maybe they could claim it's down to opinion but 58 people could have been saved and they make a judgement of 3 .15 cut off at the inquest. many people are under investigation at the moment ,i hope nobody allows these medical experts to get away with 58 wrong autopsies..they should also face investigation.
 
Attorney General wants the inquest verdicts quashed

Dominic Grieve QC announced the move in Parliament in his response to the Hillsborough Independent Panel's report published on 12 September.
The report revealed 41 fans could potentially have been saved.
The victims' families have always challenged the original inquest verdict of accidental death.
Mr Grieve said his consideration of the evidence was far from over, but he was taking the exceptional step of indicating he must apply to the High Court for new inquests to be held on the basis of the evidence he has already read.
He told the Commons: "I will apply to have every one of those 96 inquests quashed.
"I believe that these deaths, arising as they do from a common chain of events, should all be considered afresh."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19960279
 
butchersapron said:
The IPCC are not a fit body to investigate this.
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Anyone's who's interested in the effectiveness or otherwise of the IPCC should watch this film (50 mins) on how they (mis)handled the case of Sean Rigg, who was killed by the police in Brixton police station.


Oops - can't seem to embed. Link here - copy and paste and remove the space I've put in:
http://vimeo. com/46132509
 
Liverpool MP Steve Rotheram said today's move by Attorney General Dominic Grieve to apply for fresh inquests for the 96 victims of the Hillsborough disaster "marks one of the biggest steps forward in the fight for justice for the families in 23 years'
"The undeniable fact is that the original inquest was unsound and this application, if successful, will mean that evidence will be able to be heard after the 3.15pm cut off imposed by the original Coroner in the 1989 inquests," he said.
"For the first time in over two decades, all the evidence can now be reviewed into the disaster and potentially a new verdict recorded on the death certificates of the deceased.
"At long last, the full horror of Hillsborough will be on the public record alongside the names of the people and the organisations that are accountable for what happened."
He went on: "The families’ heartache has been well documented but what is less well known is that some families have refused to pick up the death certificates of their loved ones who died on that day.
"I made clear when I became an MP that for as long as I represented Liverpool and the continued fight for truth and justice for the 96, I would never accept the verdict of accidental death on the death certificates.
"Today’s announcement provides us with the possibility for different verdicts which the families have always believed should have reflected the unlawful killing of their loved ones."
Mr Rotheram added he was "confident that the British judicial system will not allow one of the greatest injustices of the 20th century to perpetuate any longer".
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Public confidence in IPCC investigations - can't compel officers to give interviews. Will you be granting IPCC right to interviews? David Crompton: "Even if I was to grant an interview, I can't force people to say anything. I will take that one away and talk with the IPCC with whom I'm in regular contact."
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Is that a yes or a no? It's starting again already.

"even if" (i.e no i won't).
 
Trevor Hicks: "We believe there is an element of Freemasonry involved. Something we hadn't considered before is whether the closed ranks of Freemasonry [were at play]."
 
Trevor Hicks: "Margaret and Jenny met with Jack Straw about a week ago. He unreservedly apologised for the rigour of investigation not being to the level of what the Independent Panel has been."
 
Oh god:

Committee moving on to a final matter now, not related to Hillsborough. Families have left the room with that pledge from Keith Vaz that the Home Affairs Committee will keep on top of monitoring the progress of Hillsborough investigations from here on in
 
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