Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[Fedayn]

That cunt should be apologising for the role his party, his predecessors and notably Thatcher played in the lies and the smears.

 

[Waltonian]

A lot of very strong speeches today. Maira Eagle on Bettison, can only say WOW.
Clive Betts looked under a lot of strain.His argument was irrelevant. the ground had no valid safety certificate.
He looked to be desperate to push entire blame for the tragedy onto the police. wasnt he Labour leader of Sheffield council at the time of the tragedy.
FA must have hoped it would all go away.todays debate left them in doubt,that is not going to happen.
Be nice if Mckenzie can face criminal or civil action.we will see.

 

[Treacle Toes]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-yorkshire_n_1999074.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-crime

Hillsborough Probe Powers Call In Wake Of Fresh Claims Against South Yorkshire Police

PA/The Huffington Post UK | Posted: 22/10/2012 07:51 BST Updated: 22/10/2012 07:51 BST

Labour will today call for powers to compel police officers to give evidence to an inquiry into the alleged Hillsborough cover-up.
It comes amid claims that police may have altered statements after the Battle of Orgreave in 1984, where police clashed with striking miners.
Labour MP John Mann said "We need to ensure that no wrongdoing has taken place and, if there has been wrongdoing, those responsible need to be brought to account."

Labour will today call for powers to compel police officers to give evidence to an inquiry into the alleged Hillsborough cover-up

Former Solicitor General Vera Baird has claimed police officers at the incident were asked to change their statements by South Yorkshire police.
"You can see in a way that they were merely trying to set the scenario, but actually what they were doing was 'teeing up', perverting the course of justice," she told the BBC.

The allegations follow a report by the Hillsborough Independent Panel which claimed 164 police statements were altered in the wake of the tragedy, 116 of them to remove or change negative comments about the policing of the match and the ensuing disaster.
Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper will urge the Government to bring forward emergency legislation to compel police officers to give evidence about Hillsborough amid fears that the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) lacks sufficient powers to uncover the truth about the police response to the tragedy.

In the biggest ever inquiry into police action, the IPCC is to investigate serving and former officers over what happened on the day of the tragedy in 1989 and during the alleged cover-up afterwards.

 

[elbows]

Calls for Patnick to lose his knighthood:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20036787

 

[elbows]

Bettison bites the dust then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20067716

 

[butchersapron]

Amazing that what looks like forcing his hand now is politicians parasiting on the familes struggle to gain support for the PCC campaigns. Even in this they are still being told to get stuffed.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Bettison bites the dust then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20067716

Good riddance.

Although doesn't the fact he is no longer a serving plod mean the IPCC can't get at him?

 

[butchersapron]

Good riddance.

Although doesn't the fact he is no longer a serving plod mean the IPCC can't get at him?

They couldn't face misconduct charges under existing rules, but i think that the IPCC have been forced to say that they would present any evidence of criminal behaviour they would pass it on to the CPS who obv can do former officers. So, yes and no - they can't do him for stuff short of criminality - that's how i read their statement anyway.

 

[elbows]

Amazing that what looks like forcing his hand now is politicians parasiting on the familes struggle to gain support for the PCC campaigns. Even in this they are still being told to get stuffed.

Has anyone mentioned drawing a line under it yet?

 

[butchersapron]

Moving forward.

 

[butchersapron]

In a statement Bettison rejected claims that he had boasted of smearing fans. He said: "I refute the report of a conversation 23 years ago. The suggestion that I would say to a passing acquaintance that I was deployed as part of a team tasked to 'concoct a false story of what happened' is both incredible and wrong. That isn't what I was tasked to do, and I did not say that."

Where and how did you refute these claims?

 

[friedaweed]

Great news

Margaret Aspinall, chairwoman of the Hillsborough Families Support Group, said: "I'm absolutely delighted he's gone but as far as I am concerned he should have been sacked.
"I would now like to know what payments and pension he's going to get.
"Any financial benefits should be frozen until the outcome of the investigation into the cover-up."

I hope they do find a way of going after this smug cunt legally.

 

[DaveCinzano]

IPCC statement:

...We note Sir Norman's public statement that he intends to co-operate with our investigations. It should be noted we can and, in this case, will investigate both criminal offences and misconduct matters after an officer has retired or resigned as it is in the public interest to do so. Retirement or resignation precludes any internal misconduct sanction as once an individual leaves the police service there is no opportunity to take disciplinary action. Retirement or resignation does not prevent criminal prosecution should the investigation identify criminal offences, including misconduct in a public office.

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/Pages/pr_241012_hillsboroughbettison.aspx

 

[weepiper]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20079755

 

[Sharo]

Please could you take a few minutes to read this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20224726

Then could you please sign this petition.

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/40925

Kind Regards

Sharo.

 

[ddraig]

welcome Sharo
that is the very least they could do

 

[Sharo]

Thank you for the welcome ddraig.

I just hope that Anne gets her wish.

 

[Fedayn]

Bettison resigned after learning he might be sacked.....

 

[Teaboy]

Bettison resigned after learning he might be sacked.....

Christ, is there no decency left in the man?

 

[Sharo]

Bettison resigned after learning he might be sacked.....

Doesn't surprise me.

 

[audiotech]

A reminder of the epetition.

More details here on Kevin Williams, who died age 15 at Hillsborough.

 

[Fedayn]

Could they sink any lower???

Police officers sexually harassed a vulnerable Hillsborough survivor and threatened others with criminal charges if they did not alter statements, according to fresh allegations into the conduct of the authorities following the tragedy.
One officer pestered a young woman for sex only weeks after the disaster, while other witnesses were reportedly threatened with jail if they did not change accounts that portrayed the police in a negative light

 

[Voley]

Good grief. Words fail me.

 

[purenarcotic]

Speechless. Fucking scum.

 

[audiotech]

A reminder of the epetition.

More details here on Kevin Williams, who died age 15 at Hillsborough.

Bump, nearly at the 100,000 mark. Sign and share.

Hillsborough mum Anne Williams has revealed she is suffering from terminal cancer.Mrs Williams, 59, who lives in Newtown, Chester, has campaigned tirelessly for justice for more than two decades because her 15-year-old son Kevin was among the 96 Liverpool FC fans who perished as a result of the 1989 disaster...please let's help to get her son's case heard.

 

[butchersapron]

Anyone watching the IPCC doc on BBC1 now. I bet it puts the fears of the families to rest.

 

[laptop]

Bump, nearly at the 100,000 mark. Sign and share.

103,383 103,384

 

[DaveCinzano]

Curious:

Sir Norman Bettison was allegedly recorded on CCTV with another man trying to sell a "large quantity" of stolen platinum wire to Sheffield firm Johnson Matthey on August 11, 1987, John Mann, the Labour MP for Bassetlaw, claimed.

..."The information provided is extraordinary, and it is of great concern that these claims have only emerged now," said Mr Mann.

“These new claims raise yet more questions about how South Yorkshire Police was run in the 1980s.”

The wire, hugely valuable and used to monitor temperatures in the steel-making process, is believed to have belonged to another Sheffield firm where Sir Norman's alleged accomplice worked.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-tried-to-sell-stolen-platinum-MP-claims.html

 

[butchersapron]

I think Mann is being played here - just a feeling.

 

[butchersapron]

From the Star of all places:

But we have discovered key evidence surrounding the disaster, in which 96 fans died, seems to have vanished.

Files belonging to the top officer sent in to investigate South Yorkshire Police’s handling of the tragedy have never been located.

The statements of current Metropolitan Police Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe also seem to have disappeared.

The 54-year-old, who at the time was an off-duty inspector who helped in the aftermath of the disaster, has told us he provided statements for the first inquiry.

They were not unearthed by the HIP and South Yorkshire Police has told us it can find no evidence of a statement by Mr Hogan-Howe.

West Midlands Police said it holds no relevant information and the National Archives said it has no record of a statement.

Scores of other police and witness statements also appear lost, as does at least one paper relating to an internal inquiry involving Sir Norman Bettison, 56, who resigned as chief constable of West Yorkshire in the wake of the HIP report.