sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
On full pension, the cunt.
Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.
- Thread starter Fedayn
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Trevor Hicks from Keighley lost two daughters at the Hillsborough tragedy. He's given his reaction of Sir Norman Bettison's retirement:
"We are glad he's realised his position is untenable. However I'm determined that he doesn't escape his just deserts. I'll make sure he's stripped of his knighthood and his fellowship of Liverpool (John Moores) University. He should leave with nothing, like he did the families."
"We are glad he's realised his position is untenable. However I'm determined that he doesn't escape his just deserts. I'll make sure he's stripped of his knighthood and his fellowship of Liverpool (John Moores) University. He should leave with nothing, like he did the families."
SIR NORMAN Bettison should not be allowed to retire, he should be sacked, Hillsborough families demanded today.
Mr Bettison, chief constable of West Yorkshire Police, last night announced his decision to retire in March in the wake of revelations by the Hillsborough Independent Panel about his role in the aftermath of the disaster.
He is the most senior police officer involved with South Yorkshire Police’s discredited Hillsborough operation that is still in service.
Margaret Aspinall, chair of Hillsborough Family Support Group, said: “I’m delighted. But he is a disgrace. He has had a couple of weeks of going through a little stress, while we have been through hell for 23 years.”
She said Mr Bettison's announcement reminded her how Ch Supt David Duckenfield and his underling Supt Bernard Murray escaped disciplinary charges through Duckenfield's retirement.
The pair were responsible for opening the gate that led to the crush that claimed 96 lives at Hillsborough.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating Mr Bettison's role in the cover-up after the 1989 disaster.
In a statement he said: “Recent weeks have caused me to reflect on what is best for the future of policing in West Yorkshire and I have now decided to set a firm date for my retirement of March 31 2013.”
“I hope it will enable the Independent Police Complaints Commission to fully investigate allegations that have been raised about my integrity. They need to be fairly and fully investigated and I welcome this independent and formal scrutiny.”
Trevor Hicks, president of HFSG, said: “I am pleased that he has finally realised his position is untenable.
“This is typical of senior officers avoiding responsibility, dipping out of disciplinaries, and leaving with a big fat pension, a knighthood, and an honorary fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University.
“Over the next six months we will be undertaking every endeavour to press for Bettison to be sacked.
“If he thinks he can evade justice by jumping ship, he is mistaken. “He is the first of the new scalps, he will be the first of many.”
He urged the IPCC to conclude their investigation “in time to spoil his Christmas”, adding: “It will be a travesty if he is allowed to retire like Duckenfield and Murray.”
Garston and Halewood MP Maria Eagle, who has long maintained Mr Bettison was part of a “black propaganda unit” after the disaster – a claim denied by Mr Bettison – said: “The IPCC and the prosecuting authorities need to make clear quickly that this will have no impact on their investigations.
“I never thought somebody with the background he has and the amount of questions he has over him should have been in such a senior position without having to answer for what has gone on.”
Meanwhile the HFSG and the Hillsborough Justice Campaign have condemned a decision by John Moores University to wait until the outcome of the IPCC investigation before deciding whether to strip Mr Bettison of his fellowship
Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/10/05/norman-bettison-to-retire-from-west-yorkshire-police-but-hillsborough-families-say-he-should-be-sacked-100252-31970392/#ixzz28Qt2TfbI
Mr Bettison, chief constable of West Yorkshire Police, last night announced his decision to retire in March in the wake of revelations by the Hillsborough Independent Panel about his role in the aftermath of the disaster.
He is the most senior police officer involved with South Yorkshire Police’s discredited Hillsborough operation that is still in service.
Margaret Aspinall, chair of Hillsborough Family Support Group, said: “I’m delighted. But he is a disgrace. He has had a couple of weeks of going through a little stress, while we have been through hell for 23 years.”
She said Mr Bettison's announcement reminded her how Ch Supt David Duckenfield and his underling Supt Bernard Murray escaped disciplinary charges through Duckenfield's retirement.
The pair were responsible for opening the gate that led to the crush that claimed 96 lives at Hillsborough.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating Mr Bettison's role in the cover-up after the 1989 disaster.
In a statement he said: “Recent weeks have caused me to reflect on what is best for the future of policing in West Yorkshire and I have now decided to set a firm date for my retirement of March 31 2013.”
“I hope it will enable the Independent Police Complaints Commission to fully investigate allegations that have been raised about my integrity. They need to be fairly and fully investigated and I welcome this independent and formal scrutiny.”
Trevor Hicks, president of HFSG, said: “I am pleased that he has finally realised his position is untenable.
“This is typical of senior officers avoiding responsibility, dipping out of disciplinaries, and leaving with a big fat pension, a knighthood, and an honorary fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University.
“Over the next six months we will be undertaking every endeavour to press for Bettison to be sacked.
“If he thinks he can evade justice by jumping ship, he is mistaken. “He is the first of the new scalps, he will be the first of many.”
He urged the IPCC to conclude their investigation “in time to spoil his Christmas”, adding: “It will be a travesty if he is allowed to retire like Duckenfield and Murray.”
Garston and Halewood MP Maria Eagle, who has long maintained Mr Bettison was part of a “black propaganda unit” after the disaster – a claim denied by Mr Bettison – said: “The IPCC and the prosecuting authorities need to make clear quickly that this will have no impact on their investigations.
“I never thought somebody with the background he has and the amount of questions he has over him should have been in such a senior position without having to answer for what has gone on.”
Meanwhile the HFSG and the Hillsborough Justice Campaign have condemned a decision by John Moores University to wait until the outcome of the IPCC investigation before deciding whether to strip Mr Bettison of his fellowship
Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/10/05/norman-bettison-to-retire-from-west-yorkshire-police-but-hillsborough-families-say-he-should-be-sacked-100252-31970392/#ixzz28Qt2TfbI
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bit late notice but:
HJC requires volunteers
The Hillsborough Justice Campaign has contacted Spirit of Shankly regarding the Sun`s attempt to regain a foothold in the City with a substantial offer in conjunction with the Morrisons supermarket chain this weekend.
To counteract any attempts, the HJC are coordinating direct action at the Morrisons supermarket in Maghull. The HJC would greatly appreciate the presence of volunteers to hand out leaflets to customers at the main entrance of the supermarket on Saturday 6th October at 10.30am.
For any further details email hillsboroughjusticecampaign@hotmail.co.uk; or phone 07782 365203
@spiritofshankly
HJC requires volunteers
The Hillsborough Justice Campaign has contacted Spirit of Shankly regarding the Sun`s attempt to regain a foothold in the City with a substantial offer in conjunction with the Morrisons supermarket chain this weekend.
To counteract any attempts, the HJC are coordinating direct action at the Morrisons supermarket in Maghull. The HJC would greatly appreciate the presence of volunteers to hand out leaflets to customers at the main entrance of the supermarket on Saturday 6th October at 10.30am.
For any further details email hillsboroughjusticecampaign@hotmail.co.uk; or phone 07782 365203
@spiritofshankly
Callie
Pivoting
I dont understand how taking retirement would help the IPCC? other than saving them the paperwork of disciplinary/sacking. Does being retired stop that from happening or does it just protect pension and other assorted gains?
Does it mean that the investigation can actually be hindered as Bettison cannot be questioned directly? or do the IPCC not reallly actually talk to the people concerned?
It was the same tactic Duckenfield used Callie. under internal investigation yet allowed to retire at 46 on medical grounds.
It would of been a massive admission of guilt for the Police to have sacked Duckenfield over Hillsborough. so Duckenfield was allowed retire on a full pension.no idea how much it is now but it was 25K in 97.?.end of investigation.
It is confusing. I have read retirement today will not stop any investigation and that may well be right but that is not the only issue.
I am no legal expert but i assume any person sacked from the Police force for the charges he may face will also loose full pension rights. If he is allowed to retire before any investigation then his pension will not be affected by any disciplinary action.as i say i am no legal expert. just my opinion.
EDIT.
Mr Bettison was chief constable of Merseyside between 1998 and 2004, and will be entitled to an annual pension estimated at £88,000 – two thirds of his £134,000 salary when he left.
Merseyside Police Authority chairman Cllr Bill Weightman said the force had no choice – but if convicted of any crime in relation to the Hillsborough disaster an application could be made to the Home Office to strip Mr Bettison of 65% of his pension
Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/10/06/merseyside-taxpayers-will-pay-norman-bettison-s-annual-88-000-pension-100252-31977916/#ixzz28VoPOiPf
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
bettison's west yorks thugs did the same to the everton away lot at the league cup game the other week.
(oh yeah, at leeds)
(oh yeah, at leeds)
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
See above.
Morrisons is now owned by the Co-op, isn't it?
No, thats Somerfield. Morrisons is independent of any other supermarket brand I believe.
Wherever there is money or power there will be corruption, how you deal with this corruption is the problem, if there is not the will to root out corruption then these people will go on to hold powerful positions,they will abuse this power and destroy many decent lives.
Would a corrupt powerful person wish to have decent law abiding colleagues at his side or would he prefer to see a culture of promoting people who will cover each other backsides ?
Michael Mansfield tried to bring this corruption to account a few years before Hillsborough, the authorities preferred to look the other way.
Mansfield also highlighted the connection between Hillsborough and Orgreave.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/12/hillsborough-battle-orgreave?CMP=twt_gu
Would a corrupt powerful person wish to have decent law abiding colleagues at his side or would he prefer to see a culture of promoting people who will cover each other backsides ?
Michael Mansfield tried to bring this corruption to account a few years before Hillsborough, the authorities preferred to look the other way.
Mansfield also highlighted the connection between Hillsborough and Orgreave.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/12/hillsborough-battle-orgreave?CMP=twt_gu
Thanks for the offer but no thanks, I would rather think positive and keep my posts relevant to the thread, Hillsborough.
you do know its Tuesday, right?butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Hillsborough: Statement by Deborah Glass, Deputy Chair of the Independent Police Complaints Commission
It is now for the Independent Police Complaints Commission and other organisations to try to complete that picture.
Since the report was published, the IPCC has been undertaking a thorough review of it and has also begun to examine the 450,000 pages of supporting evidence to identify what conduct, by named or unnamed police officers, requires investigation.
While the review was ongoing we received referrals from West Yorkshire Police Authority in relation to Sir Norman Bettison, South Yorkshire Police in relation to the events before, during and after 15 April 1989, and West Midlands Police in relation to their role in the investigation of events.
We have considered all of this and determined there are a number of matters which require investigation by the IPCC.
These are:
· The amendments to statements – who ordered it, who knew about it, who was involved in the process, and was pressure put on individual officers?
· The allegations that misleading information was passed to the media, MPs, Parliament and Inquiries in an apparent attempt to deflect blame from the police on to the fans.
· The actions of police officers after the disaster, including the questioning of next of kin about alcohol consumption, the checking of blood alcohol levels and the undertaking of Police National Computer checks on the dead and injured;
· The role of West Midlands Police and those who led that investigation into the disaster.
All of these matters will be subject of an independent investigation by the IPCC. We will be setting up a dedicated Hillsborough team to carry this out.
However, in addition, there are other matters where we believe we will have a role to play.
Ninety-six men, women and children died as a result of Hillsborough. The Attorney General must decide whether to apply to the High Court to quash the original inquest verdicts and seek new ones. The Director of Public Prosecutions has announced today that he will review the evidence.
The IPCC will work with the Director of Public Prosecutions, and any Coroner appointed to hear fresh inquests, to carry out any further investigation that may be required before or after any new inquests are held, and identify the appropriate body to investigate any individual or entity we cannot.
I must stress the scope of our work is not yet clear – and we do not underestimate the size of our task.
We do not yet know how many officers or retired officers fall to be investigated for the various matters we have identified, how many are still serving or still alive. Work will continue to identify individuals and their circumstances, and what potential offences require investigation. We can investigate both criminal and misconduct offences after an officer has retired, though retirement prevents any misconduct sanction. We are continuing to review the underlying documentation in the report and other conduct matters may come to light.
An important part of our work will be liaising with the families and other interested parties. We have made contact with them, and will set out the initial scope and projected timing, and keep them in touch with progress. Justice demands that we do whatever is possible to investigate culpability for any offence that may have been committed, and to do so thoroughly and fairly. The families have already waited for twenty-three years. I want to give them my assurance that we will do everything in our power to investigate these serious and disturbing allegations with the careful and robust scrutiny they deserve."
It is now for the Independent Police Complaints Commission and other organisations to try to complete that picture.
Since the report was published, the IPCC has been undertaking a thorough review of it and has also begun to examine the 450,000 pages of supporting evidence to identify what conduct, by named or unnamed police officers, requires investigation.
While the review was ongoing we received referrals from West Yorkshire Police Authority in relation to Sir Norman Bettison, South Yorkshire Police in relation to the events before, during and after 15 April 1989, and West Midlands Police in relation to their role in the investigation of events.
We have considered all of this and determined there are a number of matters which require investigation by the IPCC.
These are:
· The amendments to statements – who ordered it, who knew about it, who was involved in the process, and was pressure put on individual officers?
· The allegations that misleading information was passed to the media, MPs, Parliament and Inquiries in an apparent attempt to deflect blame from the police on to the fans.
· The actions of police officers after the disaster, including the questioning of next of kin about alcohol consumption, the checking of blood alcohol levels and the undertaking of Police National Computer checks on the dead and injured;
· The role of West Midlands Police and those who led that investigation into the disaster.
All of these matters will be subject of an independent investigation by the IPCC. We will be setting up a dedicated Hillsborough team to carry this out.
However, in addition, there are other matters where we believe we will have a role to play.
Ninety-six men, women and children died as a result of Hillsborough. The Attorney General must decide whether to apply to the High Court to quash the original inquest verdicts and seek new ones. The Director of Public Prosecutions has announced today that he will review the evidence.
The IPCC will work with the Director of Public Prosecutions, and any Coroner appointed to hear fresh inquests, to carry out any further investigation that may be required before or after any new inquests are held, and identify the appropriate body to investigate any individual or entity we cannot.
I must stress the scope of our work is not yet clear – and we do not underestimate the size of our task.
We do not yet know how many officers or retired officers fall to be investigated for the various matters we have identified, how many are still serving or still alive. Work will continue to identify individuals and their circumstances, and what potential offences require investigation. We can investigate both criminal and misconduct offences after an officer has retired, though retirement prevents any misconduct sanction. We are continuing to review the underlying documentation in the report and other conduct matters may come to light.
An important part of our work will be liaising with the families and other interested parties. We have made contact with them, and will set out the initial scope and projected timing, and keep them in touch with progress. Justice demands that we do whatever is possible to investigate culpability for any offence that may have been committed, and to do so thoroughly and fairly. The families have already waited for twenty-three years. I want to give them my assurance that we will do everything in our power to investigate these serious and disturbing allegations with the careful and robust scrutiny they deserve."
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
It truly is great news. We've waited a long time for this.It's hard to be happy and not be angry but it is good news.
The original inquests must be binned now. The whole house of cards is folding in. It's fantastic that it's finally turning for the families and rightly so. It must be like finally being able to breath after years of feeling like you're drowning.
It's great for the city too.
The original inquests must be binned now. The whole house of cards is folding in. It's fantastic that it's finally turning for the families and rightly so. It must be like finally being able to breath after years of feeling like you're drowning.
It's great for the city too.
It truly is great news. We've waited a long time for this.It's hard to be happy and not be angry but it is good news.
The original inquests must be binned now. The whole house of cards is folding in. It's fantastic that it's finally turning for the families and rightly so. It must be like finally being able to breath after years of feeling like you're drowning.
It's great for the city too.
Yeah great news. I know we should never take it for granted but just cant see how they can refuse to squash inquest verdict and order new inquests now .
Will no doubt take a few years to see all this through but every effort should be made to speed up the judicial system, a few guilty people have passed away over the years and evaded justice.
It is important the likes of Duckenfield has his day in court and not be allowed to delay on technicalities.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Him and that cunt with his truth rag brought to justice would be the a happy day.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Public recognition that they have to. No faith in the IPCC.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
In the IPCC? No.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The IPCC are not a fit body to investigate this.
Callie
Pivoting
I meant a bit more generally, otherwise you wouldnt give a shit.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Existentially, then damn right there's hope - might be parceled out and forced by us (and that's half the victory) but there's always hope
People giving a shit =hope. As i think you said
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