Hadley's reveal new stadium design

[Dulwich Mishi]

"What makes you think that the future is not extremely precarious. Is it because it doesnt suit your narrative??"
No, because the whole financial side of the club since the Hadley takeover has been entirely opaque. I appreciate that there's probably an amount of commercial confidentiality, but I'm not just taking a developer's word for the rest of it.

Don't just take the developers word. Just to stay at the current Champion Hill, to bring the ground up to standard, would cost at least £600,000. A figure set independently by Southwark Council themselves. That's not to improve it, just to bring it to standard, after Hadley set their own figure, which wasn't that much higher. The costs have almost certainly increased since then, I would say.

 

[editor]

Yes...and your point is?
THE Club would have died if Hadley had not stepped in to stabilise and clear the bills.

That's assuming that absolutely no one else did anything to help and no benefactors stepped in from the huge publicity such a proposed closure would have generated. And that is something we'll never know.

 

[YTC]

Meadows and Hadley are not the same company, from my understanding the reason they formed was due to a split within Hadley between the directors. Meadows took on half the business, including the club. Hadley literally have nothing to do with us now.

 

[YTC]

That's assuming that absolutely no one else did anything to help and no benefactors stepped in from the huge publicity such a proposed closure would have generated. And that is something we'll never know.

To be fair, a pointless argument, as it's done with now. Can only deal with what we have in front of us. Which apparently is some kind of dense fog with some cranes in it.

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

Because the financials are crucial to the long-term sustainability of the club. There's no need for a new lease if the club stays where it is – on land that is currently protected by covenants.

Um, yes there is. Because if a lease is not renewed, or not long enough, then the very future of playing in the Ryman League, never mind higher, would be questioned. There are League & Football Association regulations that you must have a tenure of some sort in place. Once a lease runs out it must be renewed. Or the rent could be too high and we would be forced out.

 

[YTC]

Um, yes there is. Because if a lease is not renewed, or not long enough, then the very future of playing in the Ryman League, never mind higher, would be questioned. There are League & Football Association regulations that you must have a tenure of some sort in place. Once a lease runs out it must be renewed. Or the rent could be too high and we would be forced out.

Sounds similar to someone we had the pleasure of meeting the other night I think..

 

[B.I.G]

That's assuming that absolutely no one else did anything to help and no benefactors stepped in from the huge publicity such a proposed closure would have generated. And that is something we'll never know.

This is possibly the worst post I've ever read on Urban.

If we get closed down in the future then you can see what happens then.

So a benefactor would have stepped in to buy the club, clear the debts, buy the freehold, and then gift it to us without wanting anything in return.

If you say so.....

I am sure Nick McCormack would have taken the money to do this at any point so no point waiting for the club to go out of business first.

Then again if Christian Burt can get in touch with THE Benefactor we can get him some new glasses and he can access his offshore funds.

 

[editor]

This is possibly the worst post I've ever read on Urban.

Thank you most kindly. Now, let's all hold hands and put our trust in the mighty morpin' offshore property developers. I'm sure they care.

 

[editor]

I fear that Streatham Rovers is all I'm going to have soon.

 

[YTC]

Let's be honest, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. FOG seem to be part of a concerted attempt to undermine both the development and the club as a whole, and Meadows don't seem to give a shit what happens as long as they can stick some flats up. Neither care about how well our new formation is working, nor do they care about our promotion push.

Can we start asking philanthropic billionaires to come down and buy us?

 

[YTC]

I fear that Streatham Rovers is all I'm going to have soon.

God, thats depressing.

 

[B.I.G]

Let's be honest, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. FOG seem to be part of a concerted attempt to undermine both the development and the club as a whole, and Meadows don't seem to give a shit what happens as long as they can stick some flats up. Neither care about how well our new formation is working, nor do they care about our promotion push.

Can we start asking philanthropic billionaires to come down and buy us?

We already have THE benefactor!

 

[B.I.G]

Let's be honest, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. FOG seem to be part of a concerted attempt to undermine both the development and the club as a whole, and Meadows don't seem to give a shit what happens as long as they can stick some flats up. Neither care about how well our new formation is working, nor do they care about our promotion push.

Can we start asking philanthropic billionaires to come down and buy us?

As long as they care enough to renew our lease and pay the bills we are doing ok. Its when that stops that we are fucked.

Then everyone that has no faith in property developers can say "I told you so".

 

[editor]

As long as they care enough to renew our lease and pay the bills we are doing ok. Its when that stops that we are fucked.

Then everyone that has no faith in property developers can say "I told you so".

You have faith in property developers?

 

[editor]

Let's be honest, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. FOG seem to be part of a concerted attempt to undermine both the development and the club as a whole, and Meadows don't seem to give a shit what happens as long as they can stick some flats up. Neither care about how well our new formation is working, nor do they care about our promotion push.

Can we start asking philanthropic billionaires to come down and buy us?

I'll stick some banner adverts on this site and I'm sure it'll be a case of job done.*

*in about 2090

 

[YTC]

You have faith in property developers?

Well obviously, yeah. That's his whole point!

Wether we like it or not, at the start Hadley (not Meadows) were the white knights that did come and clean up a lot of the shit we were left with. Their halo's may have fallen off and burst into flames, to be transformed into Meadows, but we can't take a black and white view that 'All property developers are inherently evil and want to fuck us over'. Life is not Binary.

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

Eh? Because we're already here on land protected by covenant.

Yes, the land is currently protected by covenant, but Dulwich Hamlet Football Club are not. We could easily be evicted, if a new lease if not favourable to the Football Club by whoever owns the current ground. It could be left to grow derelict, or another sports organisation could move in. Or it could be turned into five-a-side pitches. So no, the Club itself are not protected by that covenant, merely the ground we play on.

 

[editor]

Well obviously, yeah. That's his whole point!

Wether we like it or not, at the start Hadley (not Meadows) were the white knights that did come and clean up a lot of the shit we were left with. Their halo's may have fallen off and burst into flames, to be transformed into Meadows, but we can't take a black and white view that 'All property developers are inherently evil and want to fuck us over'. Life is not Binary.

But you can start raising eyebrows faster than Roger Moore on PCP when aforementioned property developers start shape shifting into a different company, like a pack of wolves regrouping.*

*literary licence invoked

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

Perhaps frustrated. Answer the question if you dare.

Can we play at Champion Hill if we don't have a lease?

Simple answer...NO. We would be booted out of the Ryman League!

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

We don't need a bloody lease to play at Champion Hill!

Oh yes we do....

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

The only thing I know about Meadow Residential is that Mishi mentioned them above. Anything from the club? Anything from DHST? I asked a few days ago for clarification and got nothing.

I know very little about Meadows. I know very little about Hadley. I am a Dulwich Hamlet supporter, who wants their full plans to come to fruition. I don't know if there will be anything from the Club. I only speak for myself as an individual and a Dulwich Hamlet fan on here. I am sure there will be more from DHST at some stage...they are bound to know more after the meeting they called with Meadows, which they are having today.

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

So what are you saying? Fans should support everything and anything that the developers propose because they say we'll get a (small) ground out of it, and therefore fans should cast any doubts to the wind and clap along enthusiastically to anything that is suggested.

Personally I think it's vital that this deal is examined in great detail, research undertaken and company structures investigated before agreeing to anything. The way the company is already morphing into a new one should already send alarm bells ringing,

Developers shit on people all the time, so I wouldn't rely on them giving a flying fuck whether Hamlet exist or not. In fact if they could find a way of getting rid of the ground and adding more luxury flats, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

I couldn't agree more...it does set some alarm bells ringing...but that's why we need information from Meadows to us all as fans.

 

[YTC]

I couldn't agree more...it does set some alarm bells ringing...but that's why we need information from Meadows to us all as fans.

Seconded!

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

so the bar profits go to hadley development solutions . so all the hassle frustration and anger that i experience there helps the club not one jot . in fact , i'd do the club more good going to the cherry tree and trying to persuade them to sponsor the match ball now and again . ab-so-bloody-lutely marvellous

But the money from the bars are what helps pay players' wages, pay the bills & utilities, run the facilities..so yes, using the bar does help the Football Club. So please persevere...though that is up to anyone to choose where they drink, if they find other local hostelries more welcoming/friendlier/better service/value for money/whatever...

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

That's assuming that absolutely no one else did anything to help and no benefactors stepped in from the huge publicity such a proposed closure would have generated. And that is something we'll never know.

Well nobody did at the time...and a fact of record, the Supporters' Trust refused to a request to loan money to help at the time. Some individuals did come forward to cover the costs to avert closure before Hadley stepped in to take control.

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

who knows what Southwark will do ? pretty much fucked the aylesbury/heygate up . they seem as labyrinthine as the developers . don't forget that sadiq khan may also want his twopen'orth ( cf. cray wanderers )

A totally different development...but I wouldn't trust Sadiq as far as I could throw him...but you'd expect that from me, as he's the ex-MP for t*****g!

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

This is possibly the worst post I've ever read on Urban.

If we get closed down in the future then you can see what happens then.

So a benefactor would have stepped in to buy the club, clear the debts, buy the freehold, and then gift it to us without wanting anything in return.

If you say so.....

I am sure Nick McCormack would have taken the money to do this at any point so no point waiting for the club to go out of business first.

Then again if Christian Burt can get in touch with THE Benefactor we can get him some new glasses and he can access his offshore funds.

The last bit's an 'old skool' 'in-joke' about a former fan, who was a thoroughly decent bloke, in case anyone's wondering...

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

Thank you most kindly. Now, let's all hold hands and put our trust in the mighty morpin' offshore property developers. I'm sure they care.

For me it's not about 'trust'. It's about seeing if we can what we think is best for our Football Club that will give us the chance to make it properly sustainable and accountable for many years to come, whilst being able to progress. And I BELIEVE that if we get the ground on Greendale, where we actually had five figure crowds on the same site in the 1920s incidentally, then the future of the club will be the safest it has ever been, if we get supporter ownership & start with a clean slate. with the added bonus, whether it's a 25 or 50-year lease, or however long, we would have more 'protection' with our landlord being Southwark Council.

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

For me it's not about 'trust'. It's about seeing if we can what we think is best for our Football Club that will give us the chance to make it properly sustainable and accountable for many years to come, whilst being able to progress. And I BELIEVE that if we get the ground on Greendale, where we actually had five figure crowds on the same site in the 1920s incidentally, then the future of the club will be the safest it has ever been, if we get supporter ownership & start with a clean slate. with the added bonus, whether it's a 25 or 50-year lease, or however long, we would have more 'protection' with our landlord being Southwark Council.

All I can say now is...thank fuck I've got to the end of this thread. It's taken up my lunchbreak and more, I'm working til eight tonight, so can't now eat til later.
Sometimes I almost lose the will to live when I read some of the nonsense on here, not necessarily just on this thread.
But I care about my club, I try to put people right, and give as much information as I can. I don't expect everyone to agree with me...even if you are wrong!

Please 'forgive' me if I don't respond to further posts on here for a day or two. I only have limited internet time, and I do have lots of voluntary Club business to deal with as well. (I don't want a pat on the back for that, nor am I boasting, I help the Club because I enjoy it. What I'm trying to say is...I could do without the distractions of trying to be a 'voice of reason' sometimes on here...)

 

[sleaterkinney]

You have faith in property developers?

The plan they have submitted means us continuing as a going concern in Champion hill.