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Gavin Rose leaves Dulwich Hamlet and new interim coach appointed

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Not trying to be difficult, but it really wasn't a criticism.

Point I was making is that if he had won all his games he'd have made it very difficult for the Board to bring someone else in and they could potentially appoint him without any need for more interviews and a further selection process.

But as it is it's not a foregone conclusion and that means more time before the process of bringing in a permanent manager is completed, and that's potentially more time lost in the season.

Actually think in the context of it all he's done a difficult job pretty well.

That’s fine, let them take their time and appoint the right manager. You’re just coming up with scenarios that might not even be relevant?.
 
Employed by the club…one is the answer.

On the subject of Paul Barnes I actually think he has done a good job with somebody else’s team. I also believe his personality fits the club and would like to see him have a long term role.

Performances have certainly been better and the team looks like it has a pattern. If he gets the chance to give it a bit of surgery I think he will comfortably get us out of trouble.
 
Personally, I think its hard to be independent when receiving a wage from the club, effectively being paid by the shareholders.

It isn’t liamdhfc before anyone reading thinks I am attacking him.

Just think its an odd setup where the majority shareholder likes to let the rest of the board reach consensus, while at the same time one of those board members is effectively paid by that shareholder.
As a general principle I won’t dispute that that might well be valid.

But you’re ignoring:
  • The specifics of this case, where the Trust are (I think I’m right although I don’t know the exact figures) a significant enough shareholder to make Ben not majority, albeit single largest. But even if that’s not the case, the paymaster isn’t a single person: “the Club” must be about 45% not that person.
  • The specifics of the individual, who would make Jesus Christ seem flaky integrity wise.
 
As a general principle I won’t dispute that that might well be valid.

But you’re ignoring:
  • The specifics of this case, where the Trust are (I think I’m right although I don’t know the exact figures) a significant enough shareholder to make Ben not majority, albeit single largest. But even if that’s not the case, the paymaster isn’t a single person: “the Club” must be about 45% not that person.
  • The specifics of the individual, who would make Jesus Christ seem flaky integrity wise.

True. No one cares so I deleted it anyway.

Let them do what they want. I’m sure they think they are right. They always do, that’s how they get themselves into the situations they are getting themselves in.
 
I think if Barnes has taken us on an FA cup run he would have been nailed on.
Losing to Folkestone won't have helped his chances, and with no game this week he loses a chance to impress so it's a double whammy.
 
Decision on the new manager to be made this week, apparently.


Have to say, I'll find it odd if they give Barnes almost a fortnight with the squad without a game (a lot of valuable training time in there) and then appoint someone else.

If you were gonna hire a different person, surely it would make sense to give them the game-free fortnight with the squad, so they had as much time as poss to get their ideas across.
 
But surely the process is still running - interviews etc (and then contract negotiation). If they had a new manager lined up then of course get him in, but what I took from the article is that things haven't yet been concluded.
 
I've never been involved in recruiting a football manager of course, but whenever I have worked on recruitment getting the right candidate in on most convenient day of your choosing would be a bit of a pie in the sky dream goal tbh.
 
Neil Smith may well not be available. He's previously dropped hints he fancied the Aldershot job and is believed to be interested in their current vacancy.
 
Neil Smith? Glen Driver? Not much point replacing a mediocre manager with an even more mediocre manager. Board have bottled it again sadly.
Neil Snith - ripping it up at Cray. Have you watched the football they play?

Glen Driver/ good manager probably based on Suffolk and been out of the game for a few years.

Also there is just a little problem. They didn’t apply.
 
Neil Snith - ripping it up at Cray. Have you watched the football they play?

Glen Driver/ good manager probably based on Suffolk and been out of the game for a few years.

Also there is just a little problem. They didn’t apply.
Why would they need to apply to be considered?

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In fact, feel free to give me a list of every applicant and I can give you my opinion if you want to play the inside knowledge game 👍🏻
 
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Initial thoughts? Bit meh

But then I am just a fickle football fan. if the Folkestone result had gone our way I think I would have been really pleased.

Appointing the interim guy has a whiff of a stitch up though, on reflection not many interims bring their own coaching team - why not just give it to him from day one?

Either way, he's got my support. FTH.
 
Why would they need to apply to be considered?

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In fact, feel free to give me a list of every applicant and I can give you my opinion if you want to play the inside knowledge game 👍🏻
Why would you go after a manager under contract to another club who in my opinion play hoof ball and a bloke who’s been out of the game for at least 3 years.

You have called Gavin and Paul mediocre and then given me a mid table isthmian manager and a bloke who has not managed for 3 years as your suggestions of improvements.

If they were interested I am sure they would have sent a cv, but I bow to your obvious superior football knowledge.

I don’t know all the applicants, just that those weren’t amongst them as I asked someone who would know.

No inside knowledge but it’s clear you just take exception to what I say, whatever it is.
 
Why would you go after a manager under contract to another club who in my opinion play hoof ball and a bloke who’s been out of the game for at least 3 years.

Because they’re both “in my opinion” better managers than the one we previously had and have appointed.

You have called Gavin and Paul mediocre and then given me a mid table isthmian manager and a bloke who has not managed for 3 years as your suggestions of improvements.

Yes, we were lucky to get up with Gavin and he’s been shit since we’ve been in the NLS, it’s only the ineptitude and idiocy of our board that he wasn’t replaced sooner. It’s not relevant how long someone’s been out of the game for. Neil Smith was decent at Bromley and Drives was decent at Braintree & Leiston believe he took some time out for mental health? (May be wrong) No reason to hold that against his coaching credentials.

If they were interested I am sure they would have sent a cv, but I bow to your obvious superior football knowledge.

I haven’t said my knowledge is superior, you asked me for my opinion Liam, I responded.

I don’t know all the applicants, just that those weren’t amongst them as I asked someone who would know.

No inside knowledge but it’s clear you just take exception to what I say, whatever it is.

So you do have inside knowledge……..

I respond to the post and not the poster generally, if I’m responding to you negatively it’s just that I think you’re talking bollocks. If you feel that’s a frequent occurrence I’m not sure that’s on me.
 
I have a rule never to write off a centre back until he’s at least 25, or a manager until his third season (unless, and I can’t stress this enough, he’s Roy Hodgson). The third season thing is often not tested in these febrile times, but I try to stick to it where I can. I think it’s probably all the more the case when someone is taking over from a very long-serving manager - they will need longer to get their way of doing things instilled.
So. No idea if he’s any good, but people who I respect have said he deserves a go, so happy to give him a couple of years before making my mind up.
 
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Because they’re both “in my opinion” better managers than the one we previously had and have appointed.



Yes, we were lucky to get up with Gavin and he’s been shit since we’ve been in the NLS, it’s only the ineptitude and idiocy of our board that he wasn’t replaced sooner. It’s not relevant how long someone’s been out of the game for. Neil Smith was decent at Bromley and Drives was decent at Braintree & Leiston believe he took some time out for mental health? (May be wrong) No reason to hold that against his coaching credentials.



I haven’t said my knowledge is superior, you asked me for my opinion Liam, I responded.



So you do have inside knowledge……..

I respond to the post and not the poster generally, if I’m responding to you negatively it’s just that I think you’re talking bollocks. If you feel that’s a frequent occurrence I’m not sure that’s on me.
Not really my problem that I know who to ask to verify a couple of applicant names. It’s hardly inside knowledge just knowing people who answer questions.

There are vacancies on the board so I’m sure you’ll be putting yourself forward to fill them. The club is always looking for people who bring skills the current members don’t have. You may be able to educate the people who you believe are idiots. I am sure they would welcome your greater knowledge of the business of football and the qualities of suitable managers.

I also respond to the post not the poster so that suggests I respect your views as much as you do mine.
 
It’s hardly inside knowledge just knowing people who answer questions.
Just going to be a pedant and say that insider information is non-public. Which what you’re saying is is. But your man wasn’t objecting to it. But it is what he said it is.
 
I have a rule never to write off a centre back until he’s at least 25, or a manager until his third season (unless, and I can’t stress this enough, he’s Roy Hodgson). The third season thing is often not tested in these febrile times, but I try to stick to it where I can. I think it’s probably all the more the case when someone is taking over from a very long-serving manager - they will need longer to get their way of doing things instilled.
So. No idea if he’s any good, but people who I respect have said he deserves a go, so happy to give him a couple of years before making my mind up.
He's in until the end of the year. Quite pragmatic in case it doesn't work out.
 
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