Hadley's reveal new stadium design

[B.I.G]

No, for the reason that the financials are entirely opaque. Simple question: why can't the club stay where it is? And you're not allowed to answer, "Because the developer says it can't."

Why can we stay where we are?

 

[BrandNewGuy]

Eh? Because we're already here on land protected by covenant.

 

[B.I.G]

Eh? Because we're already here on land protected by covenant.

But can we play without a lease?

Is the covenant enough? Or do we need a lease?

 

[B.I.G]

So again, you have nothing against Friends of Green Dale beyond a lack of trust (that allegation you mention has nothing to do with FOGD). Fine, but you have not backed it up in case anyone else wants to make up their own mind. FOGD did not exist when the Sainsburys and Homebase applications were made, so the current proposed developments are the only ones we have taken a view on. And the key view, as I see it, has been opposition to building on Metropolitan Open Land.

It's not in our remit to take a view on the club, but we have been happy to speak with HPG and DHST and DHFC, and have been open in what we have said. And we have voiced genuine concerns at public meetings about HPG's intentions with regards DHFC and whether or not they can really guarantee a sustainable future for the club in terms of the stadium, ownership and finances. Of course by our very nature, Green Dale is our number one priority, but that doesn't mean we don't care about what happens to the club. With that logic, you could just as well say that DHST doesn't care what happens to Green Dale.

I can understand you not supporting FOGD, but don't just throw around this 'misinformation' nonsense. I'd still like to believe as I have all along that a genuine debate about the future of the club and of Green Dale is possible.

So not spreading "disinformation"?

How would you describe talking nonsense about covenants when all that matters is who owns DHFC and the length of the lease.

Disingenuous cunts.

 

[BrandNewGuy]

I think you're confused. Confused and offensive.

 

[YTC]

Did I claim that "our future is safe if the development does not go ahead"? No.

To clear up the details of ownership of the ground, Hadley own the freehold of the ground through Greendale Property Co Ltd (based in the Isle of Man). Champion Hill Stadium and Dulwich Hamlet FC Ltd (DHFC Ltd) are separate legal entities. Greendale Property Co Limited owns the freehold of the Champion Hill Stadium and surrounding locale, and has an exclusive option, through its associated company Hadley Property Group, to purchase the majority holding of the issued shares in DHFC Ltd (the legal entity that runs the football club) from the Football Club’s current owner, Nick McCormack. If HPG obtains planning permission for its proposed new development of the site, then they have committed to exercise this option in full and purchase DHFC Ltd, with the ultimate aim of transferring ownership to the Supporters’ Trust. HPG currently has an expired lease for Green Dale, which does *not* include the ground and its immediate locale.

FYI, the club is owned by Meadows Residential. Hadley no longer have anything to do with the club, nor the ground it sits on. In my eyes, all bets are off.

 

[B.I.G]

I think you're confused. Confused and offensive.

Perhaps frustrated. Answer the question if you dare.

Can we play at Champion Hill if we don't have a lease?

 

[YTC]

I think you're confused. Confused and offensive.

Classic B.I.G

 

[BrandNewGuy]

Perhaps frustrated. Answer the question if you dare.

Can we play at Champion Hill if we don't have a lease?

We don't need a bloody lease to play at Champion Hill!

 

[B.I.G]

Classic B.I.G

Classic urban. Classic pressure group.

Answer all their questions with straight answers. They dodge.

 

[YTC]

We don't need a bloody lease to play at Champion Hill!

We have a freehold on the land no? Thats what you're trying to say?

 

[B.I.G]

We don't need a bloody lease to play at Champion Hill!

So we can play at the stadium without permission from the freeholder. Excellent news!

 

[sleaterkinney]

"What makes you think that the future is not extremely precarious. Is it because it doesnt suit your narrative??"
No, because the whole financial side of the club since the Hadley takeover has been entirely opaque. I appreciate that there's probably an amount of commercial confidentiality, but I'm not just taking a developer's word for the rest of it.

So what is the ideal outcome then, from FOGD's point of view.?. How would you like this to play out?. Bear in mind who owns the ground and the club - that's the reality.

 

[YTC]

Classic urban. Classic pressure group.

Answer all their questions with straight answers. They dodge.

I hope you're coming on Saturday because I miss you.

 

[B.I.G]

We have a freehold on the land no? Thats what you're trying to say?

We dont have a freehold as a club. Thats already stated up thread.

 

[BrandNewGuy]

FYI, the club is owned by Meadows Residential. Hadley no longer have anything to do with the club, nor the ground it sits on. In my eyes, all bets are off.

The only thing I know about Meadow Residential is that Mishi mentioned them above. Anything from the club? Anything from DHST? I asked a few days ago for clarification and got nothing.

 

[YTC]

Well understandably I skipped through most of it..

 

[B.I.G]

Well understandably I skipped through most of it..

Its just me asking if we need a lease to play football at champion hill repeatedly. Apparently the answer is no.

If thats not true then its disinformation from someone associated from FOG.

 

[YTC]

The only thing I know about Meadow Residential is that Mishi mentioned them above. Anything from the club? Anything from DHST? I asked a few days ago for clarification and got nothing.

Thats what I know from a few people. It's been stated on here a few times from FC members so I'm assuming its correct.

 

[YTC]

I met someone from friends of greendale the other night that had some very similar questions to be fair.

 

[B.I.G]

We don't need a bloody lease to play at Champion Hill!

For the record. I think its offensive and deliberately confusing to state that DHFC does not need a lease to play at Champion Hill.

#cunts

 

[YTC]

Well this is getting interesting...

 

[Cyclodunc]

We don't need a bloody lease to play at Champion Hill!

Language!

 

[editor]

For the record. I think its offensive and deliberately confusing to state that DHFC does not need a lease to play at Champion Hill.

#cunts

Being deliberately confusing is how rapidly morphing property development companies and offshore investors with direct access to discretionary investment capital like to work best.

#realfuckingcunts

 

[darryl]

Meadow Residential LLP is an arm of Hadley, no?

MEADOW RESIDENTIAL LLP - Overview (free company information from Companies House)

The common link is former Hadley director Peter Bennison, who is a member of Meadow LLP and remains a director of Hadley Mace, a joint venture between Hadley and another firm which building the Greenwich Square development. Unfortunately, Bennison appears to have two separate Companies House entries, but he is certainly a busy chap: Peter James BENNISON - Personal Appointments (free information from Companies House)

Mr B has also been - along with other Hadley people - a director of Champion Hill Developments, an entity I am sure people have been asked to pay season ticket money towards last season (is this the vehicle being used to fund the club?) CHAMPION HILL DEVELOPMENTS LIMITED - Officers (free information from Companies House)

Most recent entry, set up only this year - Dog Kennell (sic) Hill Ltd, another company to add to the web. He's the sole director.
DOG KENNELL HILL LIMITED - Officers (free information from Companies House)

 

[mick mccartney]

has Nick McCormack actually been bought out yet ?

 

[B.I.G]

Being deliberately confusing is how rapidly morphing property development companies and offshore investors with direct access to discretionary investment capital like to work best.

#realfuckingcunts

They will either put us out of business or not. Build the stadium or not.

 

[B.I.G]

Meadow Residential LLP is an arm of Hadley, no?

MEADOW RESIDENTIAL LLP - Overview (free company information from Companies House)

The common link is former Hadley director Peter Bennison, who is a member of Meadow LLP and remains a director of Hadley Mace, a joint venture between Hadley and another firm which building the Greenwich Square development. Unfortunately, Bennison appears to have two separate Companies House entries, but he is certainly a busy chap: Peter James BENNISON - Personal Appointments (free information from Companies House)

Mr B has also been - along with other Hadley people - a director of Champion Hill Developments, an entity I am sure people have been asked to pay season ticket money towards last season (is this the vehicle being used to fund the club?) CHAMPION HILL DEVELOPMENTS LIMITED - Officers (free information from Companies House)

Most recent entry, set up only this year - Dog Kennell (sic) Hill Ltd, another company to add to the web. He's the sole director.
DOG KENNELL HILL LIMITED - Officers (free information from Companies House)

Mace are a proper construction company. If they wanted to build anything for us it would be more likely to get done.

 

[Lucy Fur]

has Nick McCormack actually been bought out yet ?

As I understand it, no.....and as owner, it is him who should be asking questions. Draw your own conclusion.

 

[mick mccartney]

there you are then .. if hadley don't get what they want , they won't buy him out , bye-bye fan ownership .