Griffin and BNP strategy

[The39thStep]

Weyman Bennett had a soundbite on the BBC News. He actually spoke very well.

There is a piece on Barnbrook in the Times today. It's a problem that Hodge lacks the neccessary credibility to fully galvanise the anti-fascist majority.

Bit of an understatement even if you delete Hodge and insert New Labour

 

[JimPage]

you're hardly going to ask a question of this magnitude if you don't know how people will vote before the meeting.

Understand that only 5 voted against the proposal, with 3 abstaining- with the clincher for many BNP oldtimers being a speech by Richard Edmonds in favour of the new membership criteria

Am sure there will still be some resignations over this, but probably from people who were on their way out in any event- probably in the direction of the NF

 

[Fedayn]

Understand that only 5 voted against the proposal, with 3 abstaining- with the clincher for many BNP oldtimers being a speech by Richard Edmonds in favour of the new membership criteria

Edmonds claimed that John Tyndall, when he was leader apparently, made it clear that if the law said they had to change their constitution then they should. Given Tyndall still has a level of respect amongst theose most likely to oppose Griffin it would certainly have helepd. That Edmonds delivered this would also have been important.

 

[butchersapron]

Indeed. Edmonds delivering a vote on this tells you exactly what nonsense this ongoing 'BNP to split' stuff is.

 

[JimPage]

Edmonds claimed that John Tyndall, when he was leader apparently, made it clear that if the law said they had to change their constitution then they should. Given Tyndall still has a level of respect amongst theose most likely to oppose Griffin it would certainly have helepd. That Edmonds delivered this would also have been important.

Two of those speaking against were Paul Ballard and Bob Gertner, who come not from the political dinosaur period but from the period when fish came from the sea, and neither of whom hold office

 

[Fedayn]

Two of those speaking against were Paul Ballard and Bob Gertner, who come not from the political dinosaur period but from the period when fish came from the seam, and neither of whom hold office

Both Ballard and Gertner are/were part of the old Surrey Border Front. Gertner has oft had his 'racial heritage' discussed with allegations that he's a touch Jewish.

 

[JimPage]

Indeed. Edmonds delivering a vote on this tells you exactly what nonsense this ongoing 'BNP to split' stuff is.

And a warning not to believe anonymous comments on the North West Nationalist and Lancaster Unity purporting to be from BNP organisers saying the BNP is about to collapse. Yes, they have lost a few activists and organisers, and of half a dozen more leave I would not be surprised. Yes, the NF will get a boost.

However, still 200 BNP candidates for the General Election

 

[treelover]

Richard Edmunds voted to let ethnic minorities join the BNP, the world turned upside down indeed, I suspect all this will ultimately mean many more people will now consider voting BNP and yes inc some BEM's.

 

[The39thStep]

And a warning not to believe anonymous comments on the North West Nationalist and Lancaster Unity purporting to be from BNP organisers saying the BNP is about to collapse. Yes, they have lost a few activists and organisers, and of half a dozen more leave I would not be surprised. Yes, the NF will get a boost.

However, still 200 BNP candidates for the General Election

Standard Searchlight tactic is to forcast splits, collapses and rebellions in the BNP and I am sure that NF members supply a considerable portion of those rumours. The NF would need more than a few dozen refugees from the BNP to get a boost btw. It barely has a national organisation.

 

[sabatical]

Its out somewhere on the internet for free. Read with caution , you would have thought that it was the anti fash that lost the war rather than the fash

If that's a reference to the 1939 -45 war, the British and American fascists were on the winning side.

And as fascism is only the extreme of capitalism, then where exactly did the anti fascists win ?

Italy, a collapsed empire, so Mussolini, Germany a collapsed Empire, so Hitler, Russia a collapsed Empire, so Stalin, Britain an empire that was supposed to end by the mid 1970's, so Thatcher to Brown, a new imperialism, how long will the British and Americans be in Iraq and Afghanistan, the new colonial possessions ?

There are varying political views.

 

[The39thStep]

If that's a reference to the 1939 -45 war, the British and American fascists were on the winning side.

And as fascism is only the extreme of capitalism, then where exactly did the anti fascists win ?

Italy, a collapsed empire, so Mussolini, Germany a collapsed Empire, so Hitler, Russia a collapsed Empire, so Stalin, Britain an empire that was supposed to end by the mid 1970's, so Thatcher to Brown, a new imperialism, how long will the British and Americans be in Iraq and Afghanistan, the new colonial possessions ?

There are varying political views.

It's not. And in any case the BUF campaigned against the war.

 

[sabatical]

It's not. And in any case the BUF campaigned against the war.

Just re-read your earlier post, is this the book you meant ?

Free down load.
http://www.archive.org/details/ActionRaceWarToDoorWars

Can be read on line here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2426644/Action-Race-War-To-Door-Wars

 

[The39thStep]

Just re-read your earlier post, is this the book you meant ?

Free down load.
http://www.archive.org/details/ActionRaceWarToDoorWars

Can be read on line here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2426644/Action-Race-War-To-Door-Wars

It is.

 

[elbows]

In vague preparation for the election I started to look at what candidates will be standing in my area, seems like the BNP candidate is presently the remaining BNP local councillor (the other one stepped down and then the BNP lost the by-election).

Anyway he has been living up to stereotype by ranting on the internet because an Asian garage attendant was staring at his son who was wearing an army cadet uniform.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...ds-by-controversial-blog-post-92746-25756932/

He posted: “How dare this piece of filth look at my son like that while he proudly wares (sic) his uniform?

“If he has a problem with British Army uniform there are plenty of places on gods (sic) earth that he will not see it.

“He should move to one of them.”

 

[The Black Hand]

BNP humiliated in Liverpool at election and their embarrasing behaviour;
http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/bnp-humiliated-in-fazakerley/

14% vote down to 8.8%.

Good.

 

[treelover]

Look forward to a 'terrible result' of over 8% for the Left....

 

[butchersapron]

...and as clear a 'vote labour' call under the guise of 'class analysis' as anything anywhere. Disappointing.

 

[The Black Hand]

...and as clear a 'vote labour' call under the guise of 'class analysis' as anything anywhere. Disappointing.

I like the design of the Liverpool anti fascists website though.

 

[butchersapron]

Looking at past results in the ward, the BNP being able to stablise a circa 10% of the vote in working class ward is not really a victory. Great that the votes gone down and well done to those who put in the time and effort to help achieve that, but that needs to be allied to something beyond a labour/lib-dem face off.

 

[The Black Hand]

Looking at past results in the ward, the BNP being able to stablise a circa 10% of the vote in working class ward is not really a victory. Great that the votes gone down and well done to those who put in the time and effort to help achieve that, but that needs to be allied to something beyond a labour/lib-dem face off.

I prefer class struggle myself

 

[invisibleplanet]

Good to hear Weyman spoke very well. After his recent rhetoric hes clearly realised how close he was getting to being detained for 28 days and having the UAF and the Socialist Workers Party banned. This is a time for cool heads in the vanguard of the anti fascist cause. Well done Weyman.

Glad to hear that, esp. in light of some of the more recent public speakings which had me facepalming. However, I doubt very much your claim that SWP or UAF were close to being banned, or that Bennett was close to being detained for 28 days.

 

[The39thStep]

BNP humiliated in Liverpool at election and their embarrasing behaviour;
http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/bnp-humiliated-in-fazakerley/

14% vote down to 8.8%.

Good.

Very confused website highlighted by the comrades section in which no borders , no2Id is listed along with the IWCA! Despite all the garnishing of 'working class unity against fascism' this is simply a don't vote BNP campaign with no political alternative.

 

[revlon]

Very confused website highlighted by the comrades section in which no borders , no2Id is listed along with the IWCA! Despite all the garnishing of 'working class unity against fascism' this is simply a don't vote BNP campaign with no political alternative.

the preamble's taken directly from antifa uk.

It's actually the liverpool branch of defy-id. Are you saying iwca and defy-id are incompatable politically?

 

[The39thStep]

the preamble's taken directly from antifa uk.

It's actually the liverpool branch of defy-id. Are you saying iwca and defy-id are incompatable politically?

I am saying that the IWCA link and all the rhetoric about pro working class is window dressing for the politics of the liberal left.

 

[The Black Hand]

I am saying that the IWCA link and all the rhetoric about pro working class is window dressing for the politics of the liberal left.

You are an ultra leftist though so you would say that.

 

[butchersapron]

Result from last night, BNP moaning about the near 60% post vote:

South Tyneside MBC Primrose ward

Ken Stephenson Labour 854 -42%
Pete Hodgkinson BNP 566 - 27.9%
Aaron Luke Independent 213 - 10.5%
David Alan Rice Independent 174 - 8.6%
Anthony James Lanaghan Conservative 124 - 6.1%
Susan Heather Troupe Liberal Democrats 100 -4.9%

2004 result Lab 1065/1036/972 Con 634
2006 result Lab 917 LibDem 260 Con 180 Ind 178/142 Green 114
2007 result Lab 1066 BNP 504 Con 270 Green 221
2008 result Lab 1005 BNP 681 Con 382

So another 'victory' that turns out to actually be a consolidation of the BNP vote and the mainstream party vote.

 

[treelover]

the far right have been prominent in Tyneside for some time though,I remember Kevin Scott and his troops marching right into the Newcastle Mayday Festival site.

 

[The Black Hand]

Result from last night, BNP moaning about the near 60% post vote:

South Tyneside MBC Primrose ward

Ken Stephenson Labour 854 -42%
Pete Hodgkinson BNP 566 - 27.9%
Aaron Luke Independent 213 - 10.5%
David Alan Rice Independent 174 - 8.6%
Anthony James Lanaghan Conservative 124 - 6.1%
Susan Heather Troupe Liberal Democrats 100 -4.9%

2004 result Lab 1065/1036/972 Con 634
2006 result Lab 917 LibDem 260 Con 180 Ind 178/142 Green 114
2007 result Lab 1066 BNP 504 Con 270 Green 221
2008 result Lab 1005 BNP 681 Con 382

So another 'victory' that turns out to actually be a consolidation of the BNP vote and the mainstream party vote.

Yes, but all you have is the radical gesture where you thumb your nose and scoff from an ultra left position.

Actually this result has come as a relief for me, I feel a weight slightly lifting off my shoulders, and as Hercules/Jesus you know I carry a burdon

The BNP put loads of effort into that ward, 20 goons a night canvassing, and they've been defeated.

Of course, this isn't the class struggle we would like to see and was a firefighting exercise, but now perhaps we can get on with more progressive politics and IMHO that means class struggle

 

[treelover]

The BNP's appeal to those left behind

Defeating the BNP needs more than a press strategy. It needs politicians to address their abandonment of the working class

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/26/not-hard-grasp-bnp-appeal

Guardin article today

 

[treelover]

And there are those of who believe that this ignores the genuine anger and frustration of the disaffected in our society. We won't solve the problems of extremism unless we can give everyone a stake in the future of modern Britain. Ironically, the left seems more interested in berating its former voters than helping them.

Yup...