Griffin and BNP strategy

[The Black Hand]

Tuesday, 12th August 2008
the Ripley & Heanor News site.

Mass rally at BNP festival

« Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryProtesters have vowed to turn up in droves at the British National Party's annual Red, White and Blue Festival to be held in Denby next week.
The event will take place on fields off Codnor-Denby Lane, from Friday, August 15 to Sunday, August 17, even though a licence to sell alcohol and play live music was controversially refused by Amber Valley Borough Council after objections from policeADVERTISEMENT.

The anti-BNP rally has been organised by groups including Notts Stop The BNP, East Midlands Unite Against Fascism; Derby, Mansfield and Nottingham Trades Council and Derby Unite Against Fascism.

Coach loads of people are expected to arrive from all over the country to protest outside the festival.

Supporters of Nottinghamshire Stop the BNP and anti-fascists from Derby, were in the area on Monday, distributing leaflets to residents explaining why they will be protesting.

Trevor Masters, from the group, said: "We want to support local residents by making sure that the BNP don't come back here next year."

Protesters are expected to march along Codnor-Denby Lane to Codnor Park, where they will hold a rally, at about 11am on, Saturday, August 16.

Alan Warner, who owns the land where the festival will be held, said he was not worried: "The police have got everything in hand. They will shut the footpath so no-one will be able to get into the site and if they do they will be arrested."

He also claimed he was already being targeted by the groups. "I got up on Sunday morning and there were 16 hypodermic needles at the bottom of my garden. I phoned the police."

A England flag stolen from his property had been returned by post with anti-BNP slogans and Antifa scrawled on it. Antifa is the national and international alliance of militant anti-fascists.

The police are investigating the needles incident and have taken the flag away for forensic analysis.

Supt Howard Veigas said: "We are working with everyone who wishes to attend and hold a lawful protest and will police the event accordingly."

Last year's festival passed off peacefully without protest.

 

[durruti02]

Maldon North by election 7/8/8 bnp 14%

Candidate Party Votes Percentage

1 Shrimpton, Anthony Eric John The Conservative Party 339 41

2 Carden, Janet Marilyn The Green Party 200 24

3 Rew, Paul William Independent 115 14

4 Blain, Leonard Keith British National Party 107 13

5 Harris, Geoffrey - 69 8

Turnout: 26.5



Louth Wolds by election Lincs CC 31/7/08 .. bnp 11%

http://www.louthleader.co.uk/news/Tories-win-byelection-but-BNP.4350243.jp

 

[treelover]

Another march and rally, wonder when we will see marches against the massive gas/electricity/water utility rises, the housing crisis, the welfare reforms, wrong end of the telescope imo.

 

[durruti02]

http://sim on da rby.bl ogsp ot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html

broken link for griffin interview with simon darby at end of july ( go to 20th july ) ... talking up yorkshire hopes

 

[malcolj]

Socialist Party Report

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/latest/6348
The day's action was a great success. However question marks still remain about how to campaign successfully against the BNP. The UAF have refused to negotiate with the local campaign for months and only made small concessions by allowing a speaker at the last minute when under pressure. The police and UAF had agreed that the UAF would lead the march. However, UAF set off while a trade unionist from Derby who had just begun to speak on the Stop the BNP platform was in mid flow. This "control freakery" is not only sectarian but potentially divided the protest putting people at risk.

The chanting by SWP members of slogans like "fascist scum get off our streets" to local people who are certainly not all BNP supporters can only alienate people. There was irony too. The chanters and the UAF did not allow a newly formed local campaign group to have a banner at the front nor placards from the Notts campaign. Those who claimed that Codnor were "our streets" promptly left in their buses to head away from local activity.

Local residents opposed to the BNP's camp also felt affronted. Two local supporters of the Stop the BNP network told us: "When the march was turned around and coming back through the town, we went to the front to put the local banner to the front. Personally I felt having held up all the streets, having got the residents out, I thought it was very important as we marched back up that all the residents that were out should see that it was a local protest with national backing but we were manhandled, physically and verbally and told to get out of the way and that we weren't important, that it wasn't a local it was a national concern. It is a national concern but it needs to be locally led."

Another added "For every community you need to have the local face of it but show that it has national backing. The local campaigners need to be visible to show that it is the community that is united against fascism, not that it's a bus load of people from London."

A conference has been called on September 27 by the East Midlands Stop the BNP network. This conference will discuss vital questions such as how best to campaign effectively against the BNP, and how to build on existing links with local trade unions and activists.

 

[malcolj]

What does that tell you? The North East IS rejecting the BNP constantly

BTW the BNP did get 30% in Durham in May 2008 in 1 seat if my memory is right. THEY will never win that seat either cos LABOUR got 60% plus!![/QUOTE]

It tells you the BNP are a growing force and the UAF/Hope not Hate strategy is failing

 

[Zachor]

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/latest/6348
The day's action was a great success. However question marks still remain about how to campaign successfully against the BNP. The UAF have refused to negotiate with the local campaign for months and only made small concessions by allowing a speaker at the last minute when under pressure. The police and UAF had agreed that the UAF would lead the march. However, UAF set off while a trade unionist from Derby who had just begun to speak on the Stop the BNP platform was in mid flow. This "control freakery" is not only sectarian but potentially divided the protest putting people at risk.

The chanting by SWP members of slogans like "fascist scum get off our streets" to local people who are certainly not all BNP supporters can only alienate people. There was irony too. The chanters and the UAF did not allow a newly formed local campaign group to have a banner at the front nor placards from the Notts campaign. Those who claimed that Codnor were "our streets" promptly left in their buses to head away from local activity.

Local residents opposed to the BNP's camp also felt affronted. Two local supporters of the Stop the BNP network told us: "When the march was turned around and coming back through the town, we went to the front to put the local banner to the front. Personally I felt having held up all the streets, having got the residents out, I thought it was very important as we marched back up that all the residents that were out should see that it was a local protest with national backing but we were manhandled, physically and verbally and told to get out of the way and that we weren't important, that it wasn't a local it was a national concern. It is a national concern but it needs to be locally led."

Another added "For every community you need to have the local face of it but show that it has national backing. The local campaigners need to be visible to show that it is the community that is united against fascism, not that it's a bus load of people from London."

A conference has been called on September 27 by the East Midlands Stop the BNP network. This conference will discuss vital questions such as how best to campaign effectively against the BNP, and how to build on existing links with local trade unions and activists.

This squeezing out of local anti bnp groups and activists and shouting Nazi at bog standard members of the public is a feature of UAF actions. They did it in Dagenham to great success - NOT.

Personally I wouldn't work with or contribute money to any anti fash group that was linked to the UAF/SWP.

 

[Zachor]

It tells you the BNP are a growing force and the UAF/Hope not Hate strategy is failing

You are right. Kicking off at the old bill or calling locals under pressure Nazis is no way to run an anti fash campaign.

I think that it is time for a proper broad based anti fash campaign that specifically excludes the SWP on ther grounds that their leadership of antifash activity in the past has been counterproductive.

 

[Nigel]

Searchlight?

You are right. Kicking off at the old bill or calling locals under pressure Nazis is no way to run an anti fash campaign.

I think that it is time for a proper broad based anti fash campaign that specifically excludes the SWP on ther grounds that their leadership of antifash activity in the past has been counterproductive.

Are you involved in Searchlight?
Since rumour has it relations between previous ANL(mark II)/UAF and Searchlight are'nt as good as they used to be.

This combined with pro-establishment, close to Islamaphobic views, pro-Zionist(sic) and the way you express you dislike for SWP, almost trying to create sectarian divisions?

YES or NO will do?

 

[Zachor]

Are you involved in Searchlight?
Since rumour has it relations between previous ANL(mark II)/UAF and Searchlight are'nt as good as they used to be.

This combined with pro-establishment, close to Islamaphobic views, pro-Zionist(sic) and the way you express you dislike for SWP, almost trying to create sectarian divisions?

YES or NO will do?

No I'm not a member of Searchlight.

For the record, I have a distrust of Islamism but not Muslims, I'm a moderate Zionist and cannot fucking stand the SWP as they are as divisive as the bnp in some ways, I also wouldn't say I was pro establishment more a realist.

 

[JimPage]

A result from last thursday- Rotherham Wickersley ward- a first time appearance for them in this ward

Lab 871
Con 821
BNP 538
UKIP 373
LD 191

Forthcoming council by elections with BNP presence in Leeds, Melton Mowbray and Glasgow. First time outings as well in Watford and Camden

 

[JHE]

A result from last thursday- Rotherham Wickersley ward- a first time appearance for them in this ward

Lab 871
Con 821
BNP 538
UKIP 373
LD 191

19% for BNP, eh? Aye, looks like they got out t' ballerina vote.

 

[durruti02]

A result from last thursday- Rotherham Wickersley ward- a first time appearance for them in this ward

Lab 871
Con 821
BNP 538
UKIP 373
LD 191

Forthcoming council by elections with BNP presence in Leeds, Melton Mowbray and Glasgow. First time outings as well in Watford and Camden

hi jim ... do you think they would have wanted to do better in this rotherham ward what with cllrs in other wards?

from www.cyclopstoff.com

"Despite the controlled media talking up the Tories as far as possible, two council by-elections held this week have seen that party’s vote slump as the BNP jumped to nearly 20% in Rotherham.

The Tories held Wickersley, Rotherham Borough, South Yorkshire, where the BNP’s John Round came in third with 19.2% of the vote.

In Pimhill, Shrewsbury, the Tories saw their majority slashed to just 10 votes by the Liberal Democrats, where they had previously taken more than 80%. Brave BNP candidate Helen Foulkes, venturing out into the tough ward for the first time, took a respectable eight percent.

Full results: Rotherham Borough - Wickersley: Lab 871, C 824, BNP 538, UKIP 373, Lib Dem 191. (May 2008 - C 1355, Lab 1255, Ukip 879.).

Shrewsbury and Atcham Borough - Pimhill: C 341, Lib Dem 331, BNP 59, Ind 16. (May 2007 - C 564, Lab 136).

 

[durruti02]

First time outings as well in Watford and Camden

i suggest they will do well in watford .. already had some good resulst just south of there .. but camden??

 

[JimPage]

i suggest they will do well in watford .. already had some good resulst just south of there .. but camden??

They are actually fighting Hampstead Town ward- their second weakest ward in the borough where they polled only 47 votes in May. This is clearly a training excercize for them to train local candidates/activists in the mechanics of fighting an election, leaflet design, paperwork, canvassing and how to deal with hostile opposition, of which there will be plenty in this ward. The result will be derisory, but that wont be the point

It will also intensely annoy local hampstead liberal types who are probably today penning a letter of outrage to the Ham and High.....

 

[JimPage]

hi jim ... do you think they would have wanted to do better in this rotherham ward what with cllrs in other wards?
(May 2007 - C 564, Lab 136).

If i am correct they have fought 9 other wards in town and not this one, so i can only guess there is something about its demographics which is working aganst them., However, 19% isnt too bad for them

One more election i missed- in Barrow this thursday

 

[treelover]

BNP 538
UKIP 373

If you count UKIP as a far right party, the combined vote of the BNP and the former is even more significant, more so if including the Tories, then the RW vote is incredibly high. What is the make up of the ward?.

 

[JimPage]

If you count UKIP as a far right party, the combined vote of the BNP and the former is even more significant, more so if including the Tories, then the RW vote is incredibly high. What is the make up of the ward?.

Its a Tory/Labour marginal ward - UKIP polled 25% there in May 2008. UKIP are relatively strong in town

Not a sniff of a left canddiate anywhere for years in this solidly working class town

 

[JimPage]

By election result from yesterday

Merlton Mowbray BC Melton Egerton Ward

Labour 314
BNP 236 (32.5%)
Tory 177

% Vote up from 2007 when they fought the same ward (2 Vacancies in 2007)
2007 result Lab 431/386 BNP 251 Con 216/194

A smaller % in Barrow, and pleasingly beat by Socislist Peoples Party- who nearly beat Labour

Barrow Borough Council Newbarns Ward

Con 478
Lab 177
SPP 155
BNP 104 (11.8%)

May 2008: Con 609, Con 516, Con 486, Ind 511, Lab 299, Lab243, Lab216

 

[durruti02]

By election result from yesterday

Merlton Mowbray BC Melton Egerton Ward

Labour 314
BNP 236 (32.5%)
Tory 177

% Vote up from 2007 when they fought the same ward (2 Vacancies in 2007)
2007 result Lab 431/386 BNP 251 Con 216/194

A smaller % in Barrow, and pleasingly beat by Socislist Peoples Party- who nearly beat Labour

Barrow Borough Council Newbarns Ward

Con 478
Lab 177
SPP 155
BNP 104 (11.8%)

May 2008: Con 609, Con 516, Con 486, Ind 511, Lab 299, Lab243, Lab216

there are tories in Barrow???

anyway for me two results illustrating well what we have been saying .. bnp doing well unless opposed by real down to earth opponents from whatever party be it respect in preston SPP in barrow etc etc

 

[JimPage]

Few more by elections- Lincoln Bourne Abbey Ward, Hillingdon West Ruislip ward, and just for any north londoners, first time outing in Haringey in Alexandra ward

 

[JimPage]

More by elections with BNP presence for you fash- botherers out there over next few weeks

Kirklees Dewsbury East
Edinburgh Forth
Watford Manor
Redcar South Bank
Loughborough Disgley and Hathern
Wolverhampton Wednesfield North
Wolverhampton Wednesfield South
Chichester East Wittering
Glasgow Baillieston Ward (again)
Allerdale Workington St Johns
Camden Kentish Town
Waltham Forest Valley
Hinckley Markfield and Stanton Ward

 

[butchersapron]

Stoke Labour Party have triggered a referendum on getting rid of the Mayoral system, because they're in utter dissary and the BNP stand a very good chance. Referendum on Oct 23rd.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Stoke Labour Party have triggered a referendum on getting rid of the Mayoral system, because they're in utter dissary and the BNP stand a very good chance. Referendum on Oct 23rd.

Indeed. The Mayoral system has quite a bit of opposition anyway, but at this point I have no idea which way it'll go. I can see turnout being quite low. I've had 1 thing through the post about it, and that was a few months ago. Other than that, all I've seen is a couple of billboards with the date on. I don't read the local rag though, but imagine there's been a fair amount of coverage in there. No idea what their take on it is.

I'll be voting to get rid of the Mayor.

 

[audiotech]

Two elections October 9th.

Kent County Council, Herne Bay

Con 47.7% (+7.6%)
LD 29.4% (-3.3%)
Lab 10.4% (-13.1%)
BNP 7.7% (N/A)
UKIP 4.9% (+1.3%)

Haringay Alexandra

LD 1460 49.9%
Lab 772 26.4%
Con 443 15.2%
Green 221 7.6%
BNP 27 0.9%

 

[Al Kahul]

Two elections October 9th.

Kent County Council, Herne Bay

Con 47.7% (+7.6%)
LD 29.4% (-3.3%)
Lab 10.4% (-13.1%)
BNP 7.7% (N/A)
UKIP 4.9% (+1.3%)

Haringay Alexandra

LD 1460 49.9%
Lab 772 26.4%
Con 443 15.2%
Green 221 7.6%
BNP 27 0.9%

so utterly crap results for the BNP.
The best way for the BNP not to win is to vote for the party most likely to beat them. Calling locals Nazis or setting up some loony left party to split the vote is only in the BNP's Interest.

 

[audiotech]

so utterly crap results for the BNP.
The best way for the BNP not to win is to vote for the party most likely to beat them. Calling locals Nazis or setting up some loony left party to split the vote is only in the BNP's Interest.

'Split the vote'? How loony is that.

 

[Al Kahul]

pretty fucking stupid if the point is to stop the BNP

 

[JimPage]

so utterly crap results for the BNP.
The best way for the BNP not to win is to vote for the party most likely to beat them. Calling locals Nazis or setting up some loony left party to split the vote is only in the BNP's Interest.

1. Haringey was a training exercise for them in their second to worst ward, in their worst london borough, to give their new Haringey unit experience at fighting elections. Herne Bay wasnt bad for them in a huge county ward covering 4 council wards

2. A socialist party to compete with them in elections is , in the long run, the only way to beat them. And only in the 2 Scottish wards will there be a left alternative

 

[Al Kahul]

1. Haringey was a training exercise for them in their second to worst ward, in their worst london borough, to give their new Haringey unit experience at fighting elections. Herne Bay wasnt bad for them in a huge county ward covering 4 council wards

2. A socialist party to compete with them in elections is , in the long run, the only way to beat them. And only in the 2 Scottish wards will there be a left alternative

how is a socialist party the only way to beat them ? Why would people who believe they have a grievance with non white people suddenly vote for a party that will enforce 'positive' discrimination and call then Nazis ?