The Black Hand
Unclean
BNP successor for Griffin?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...-his-daughter-to-replace-him-115875-22363324/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...-his-daughter-to-replace-him-115875-22363324/
Griffin and BNP strategy
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Unlikely - more likely is the mirror being led by the nose by you know who. Shit stirring I expect. Not beyond the realms of possibility but very unlikely for reasons of the response it would provoke, hence the story. Griffin has far more serious people to attempt to back seat drive through. (I don't expect to see him stand down anyway).
(in fact it appears Gary Anderson is the dedicated conduit - almost every story searchlight fed them has his byline)
(in fact it appears Gary Anderson is the dedicated conduit - almost every story searchlight fed them has his byline)
griffin's made furious denials on the front page of the bnp website.
Interesting article too above it, National Communications Officer telling the party faithful:
is this a change of direction from the previous grassroots organising, or just a bit of fresh meat thrown to the 'super activists'?
Interesting article too above it, National Communications Officer telling the party faithful:
is this a change of direction from the previous grassroots organising, or just a bit of fresh meat thrown to the 'super activists'?
Simon Darby has resigned for the good of the party - he's saying that deputy leader is a meaningless role created when Griffin thought he was going to jail.
Statement here http://derbypatriot.blogspot.<insert com here>/2010/07/simon-darby-resigns.html
Craig Pond a Stoke BNP member was interviewed by Pits n Pots today, and he has some other ideas about internal problems in the BNP. Essentially he's saying the grass roots of the party aren't happy with the PC direction the party is going in. I've no idea how representitive of the grass roots he really is.
http://pitsnpots.co.uk/news/2010/07/view-future-direction-bnp-stoke-trent-member
Statement here http://derbypatriot.blogspot.<insert com here>/2010/07/simon-darby-resigns.html
Craig Pond a Stoke BNP member was interviewed by Pits n Pots today, and he has some other ideas about internal problems in the BNP. Essentially he's saying the grass roots of the party aren't happy with the PC direction the party is going in. I've no idea how representitive of the grass roots he really is.
http://pitsnpots.co.uk/news/2010/07/view-future-direction-bnp-stoke-trent-member
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The BNP are in a post election impasse.They were swamped as were other parties outside the big three by the large turn out.Whilst the press and Searchlight focus is always on squabbles locally they have been stepping up their activity leafletting on saturdays against the war and for making St Georges Day a national holiday.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Like other small to medium size parties they wont get much without lots of graft on the ground and election fighting expertise that they tend not to have.
Also, if there is a vote on AV on the same day as the next locals, as looks very possible, this will again be to the disadvantage of smaller parties.
With the tories talking about caps on inward migration the fascist party could be facing some dog days with only the EDL muppets left to look like a vigourous flag waver for the loon cause.
The Black Hand
Unclean
Yes, looks like a re run of the late seventies early 80s with the far right collapsing internally with their vote collapse.
Will history repeat itself, first as tragedy and now as farce? Or is it all a 'to be expected' farce for any serious political commentator
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Except the NF vote collapsed in the 70s and the BNP vote didn't collapse in the 2010 elections. The BNP actually have a lot more to say and a better way of saying it than 'If they are black send them back', which was the main NF chant.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes, looks like a re run of the late seventies early 80s with the far right collapsing internally with their vote collapse.
tbh: you know the bnp's vote didn't collapse - less of your 'intellectual immorality' plsthe black hand's pamphlet about anti-fascism said:
not to mention your predilection for quoting the bible
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There was no collapse - that's what's going to define pro--working class anti-fascist approaches for the next 10 years. The opposite is going to define searchlight/uaf/tbh for next 10 years.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Two byelections with the BNP standing today although I expect the Labour vote to do better now they are the official opposition nationally
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Barnbrook won his appeal against suspension earlier this week - got an early chance to get his council seat back tonight as well.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
BNP polled 34% in Goresbrook and finished second.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Up 7%. I had a feeling labour vote might not turn out so close to last time. Obv wrong.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
UNISON rightwinger but working class and local so was always favourite.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yeah, they went up 2% as well. Not as much as the labour candidate in Blaneau Gwent who went up by 40% to 70%.
The Black Hand
Unclean
The BNP vote could well collapse when the class war heats up. Of course it is not the same as the seventies but the social forces are certainly lining up in such a way that the BNP vote will be squeezed and decline. That is my predicition anyway. You all seem to be saying the opposite, so let history be the judge in 4 years time
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The BNP vote could well collapse when the class war heats up. Of course it is not the same as the seventies but the social forces are certainly lining up in such a way that the BNP vote will be squeezed and decline. That is my predicition anyway. You all seem to be saying the opposite, so let history be the judge in 4 years time
That's right you said earlier that it was a re run of the 80s. Are their several posters using TBH as multiple users?
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
...let history be the judge in 4 years time
History is already the judge - over the 4 years past. And the 4 years before that...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
history won't absolve you.The BNP vote could well collapse when the class war heats up. Of course it is not the same as the seventies but the social forces are certainly lining up in such a way that the BNP vote will be squeezed and decline. That is my predicition anyway. You all seem to be saying the opposite, so let history be the judge in 4 years time
The Black Hand
Unclean
I said this dimwit; "looks like a re run of the late seventies early 80s with the far right collapsing internally with their vote collapse" go and check.
The Black Hand
Unclean
Yup, I am fine with everything I have done, every statement and judgement, no regrets
I have made a good contribution thanks. The 4 years in question in this case is whether the BNP vote is going to go up or down, that test we can come back to easily. You haven't proved anything at all so far
The Black Hand
Unclean
"Don't give a toss what you think, I know your views they fucking stink"
(anybody recognise this quote?)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
anyone with money to waste can find out your views, by buying mayday or your "cl@ss war classix" - at least the ones you've written. but the few people who do hand over their hard earned cash may be disappointed by them. from your 'anti-fascist special':
so. on the one hand anti-fascism is fucked unless it can be made an attractive proposition, on the other hand it is a model for the working class to follow. but you can't have it both ways, tbh.tbh said:
in your article 'autonomous anti fascism - towards praxis', you look - briefly - at a couple of attempts at defining fascism, and utterly ignore prominent recent analyses. there's no mention of paxton's book 'the anatomy of fascism'. there's no mention of the work of nigel copsey or matthew goodwin. indeed, there's no understanding of the essential core of contemporary british fascism, which is less its descent from mosley's british union of fascists and union movement, and more the league of empire loyalists / national front strand. you won't understand the bnp unless you realise that griffin has surrounded himself with a coterie of people from the 1950s and '60s - john bean and lance stewart - and from his nf days.
if i was marking your pseudo-academic 'autonomous anti fascism - towards praxis' it would receive something like 55%: and that would be generous. the absence of anything written after 2006 - and the inadequate analysis of what you do quote - makes this a risible effort. why hasn't it been updated since you first published it to almost universal (among those who actually read it) disdain? it certainly hasn't stood the test of time! the pitiful conclusion
it's something a first-year undergraduate should be ashamed of.tbh said:
if you'd bothered to involve yourself in anti-fascism while you were in class war, or if you'd bothered doing anything bar writing utter wank since you were expelled, perhaps there might be something to your poor analysis - at the least it would be better informed. the famous proverb says 'if at first you don't succeed, try, try again'. now you've tried and tried, perhaps it's time to simply give it a rest.
The Black Hand
Unclean
Your attempts to look big are embarrassing (you need a Phd). Your attempt to break up that quote is pure 100% bollox, as well as a total misunderstanding. The point is not that the working class follow, but that they DO as part of 'anti fascism as a model of working class liberation and struggle'. There are 2 constructions that flow, they are part of the same thing (a critique and a proposal) and not different as you limply try to argue. And to answer you, yes, 'we want the world and we want it now'.
Go back to skool tosser.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If you're saying that you need a PhD to understand your argument, then that demonstrates the irrelevance of your approach straightaway. I would happily type away and show what's in the intervening sentences of that paragraph: however, the first sentence and the conclusion you draw are somewhat at odds. When I said 'for the working class to follow' I clearly meant 'follow' as in follow a diagram, not follow as in follow a leader. You're setting anti-fascism up as a paradigm of working class liberation - considering the current state of anti-fascism, that is utter bilge.Your attempts to look big are embarrassing (you need a Phd). Your attempt to break up that quote is pure 100% bollox, as well as a total misunderstanding. The point is not that the working class follow, but that they DO as part of 'anti fascism as a model of working class liberation and struggle'. There are 2 constructions that flow, they are part of the same thing (a critique and a proposal) and not different as you limply try to argue. And to answer you, yes, 'we want the world and we want it now'.
Go back to skool tosser.
The Black Hand
Unclean
U r jus a bullshitter.
AS I said earlier; "Don't give a toss what you think, I know your views they fucking stink"
(anybody recognise this quote?)"
Tosser. You need a life & badly. DO you ever do anything?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
TBH
Change the fucking record. Everyone's seen your new clothes, and they're not from Marks & Spencer, they're the emperor's.
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