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Griffin and BNP strategy

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/89438

Good article that typifies how some have switched to the fascists.

Who is mostly to blame for the rise?

Vermin Labour councillors who take the electorate for granted. Sure the broader left and other parties should have filled the vacuum but the main responsibility has to be with those elected to power.

We do not call them out enough on this. Labour's disgusting arrogance and complacency is one of the best assets the fascist has and needs to be exposed.
 
BNP leader Nick Griffin has been secretly filmed out on the far-right party's campaign trail, where he compared east London to Nairobi.


Accompany Griffin is Richard Edmonds, long time nutzi, who claimed the Holocaust was an "evil hoax". Edmonds also spent time in custody over a racial attack in 1993 and had previously been convicted for smashing a statue of Nelson Mandela on London's South Bank. Further controversy came in 1993 when he told The Guardian's Duncan Campbell that 'we [the BNP] are 100% racist'.

Our man watched BNP activists knock on at least 1,000 doors - but only five potential supporters shook his hand.
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Griffin told a radio phone-in he discussed immigration with a West Indian family he met canvassing - and claimed they backed his views.
He said: "They were saying the same as white people - that our kids are at the back of the queue when it comes to housing behind Somalis and Albanians who have only just arrived and it's not fair. There are plenty of West Indians agreeing with our message that Britain's full. They're not racist and nor are we."

But at no time during the hours we spent with Griffin in Barking did he talk about immigration to any West Indian family.
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http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_hea...objectid=22210082&siteid=93463-name_page.html


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Interstingly almost NO hatchet/monstering jobs in the media this time round against them?. Searchlight must be asking too high a price for their placed stories this time round

Scottish papers yesterday reported, some on the front page or page 3, that the step-father of KT Tunstall is standing for them in Livingston at weekend. Hardly a devastating expose.
 
Just had a BNP leaflet through my door, delivered by the postman and no doubt a CWU member too!

Contact address:

BNP
PO Box 5057
Nuneaton
CV11 9FP

If anyone wants to send any messages. Don't forget to not put a postage stamp on it.
 
MC5 said:
BNP leader Nick Griffin has been secretly filmed out on the far-right party's campaign trail, where he compared east London to Nairobi.


Accompany Griffin is Richard Edmonds, long time nutzi, who claimed the Holocaust was an "evil hoax". Edmonds also spent time in custody over a racial attack in 1993 and had previously been convicted for smashing a statue of Nelson Mandela on London's South Bank. Further controversy came in 1993 when he told The Guardian's Duncan Campbell that 'we [the BNP] are 100% racist'.





http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_hea...objectid=22210082&siteid=93463-name_page.html


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The claim in the People that their 'man' watched as Griffin knocked on a 1,000 doors and only 5 'potential' voters shook his hand is stunning in its stupidity.

Not only because the BNP have very significant support in the area, but also when you tally up the figures quoted and then alot as little as a minute per door knocked, the 1,000 doors canvassed amounts to 16 and half hours of canvassing! -without a break.

Looked at one way it is laughable, but in another utterly self-defeating, as they are fooling no one but themselves.

In the 70's, 80's and early 90's this type of outlandish propaganda could be found routinely in far-right publications. Now it is so-called anti-fascists who are forced to rely on peddling lies to maintain morale.

Tells you all you need to know about the current state of play. And the utter lack of integrity of those running the anti-BNP campaign.
 
Joe Reilly said:
The claim in the People that their 'man' watched as Griffin knocked on a 1,000 doors and only 5 'potential' voters shook his hand is stunning in its stupidity.

Not only because the BNP have very significant support in the area, but also when you tally up the figures quoted and then alot as little as a minute per door knocked, the 1,000 doors canvassed amounts to 16 and half hours of canvassing! -without a break.

Looked at one way it is laughable, but in another utterly self-defeating, as they are fooling no one but themselves.

In the 70's, 80's and early 90's this type of outlandish propaganda could be found routinely in far-right publications. Now it is so-called anti-fascists who are forced to rely on peddling lies to maintain morale.

Tells you all you need to know about the current state of play. And the utter lack of integrity of those running the anti-BNP campaign.
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http://www.politicsmagazine.com/magazine-issues/march-2010/organizing-for-hope-not-hate/
 
Joe Reilly said:
In the 70's, 80's and early 90's this type of outlandish propaganda could be found routinely in far-right publications. Now it is so-called anti-fascists who are forced to rely on peddling lies to maintain morale.

Tells you all you need to know about the current state of play. And the utter lack of integrity of those running the anti-BNP campaign.
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Haven't you heard the current Searchlight line that the current BNP election campaign is a sign of their weakness. Indeed, thats how it must be looking like from their planet, but meanwhile on planet earth....
 
Without this campaigning initiative by Hope not Hate, the BNP would be in a much more powerful position than they are at present, which is bad enough as it is, that's for sure?

The anti-BNP Hope Not Hate campaign attempted to build something never successfully completed in the UK before—a grassroots community based campaign almost entirely built online. Within six months, Hope Not Hate built an e-mail list that is likely the largest and most powerful in the UK, spurred thousands of people who had never been involved in a political campaign before into action and increased donations in a way that has been a game changer for the organization.
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Hope Not Hate’s ability to attract supporters through low bar activities online and transform them into political activists has borne an entirely new generation of people willing to donate their time and money to a political cause.
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....in the 48 hours following the launch of 2010 campaign 4,600 people signed up to take part in local campaign events. 1245 people signed up to the “Local Organiser” program and over 1500 offered to make calls to voters in the areas that the BNP threaten.
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http://www.politicsmagazine.com/magazine-issues/march-2010/organizing-for-hope-not-hate/


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MC5 said:
Without this campaigning initiative by Hope not Hate, the BNP would be in a much more powerful position than they are at present, which is bad enough as it is, that's for sure
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couldn't disagree more--below is copy of recent email (26/4/10) I sent to the editor of the magazine the self-advertisement appeared in. Having already set out in print my criticisms of Hope Not Hate (http://www.borderland.co.uk/preview_003.htm gives a clue) I'm not going to do so again here, but suffice to say

Blue State Digital/Hope Not Hate

1) Have lied about the success of their campaign

2) Rely on outdated Nazi stereotypes of the BNP when the BNP are more sophisticated than that

3) Are a top-down undemocratic organisation

4) Are essentially a New Labour Front

5) Are, in terms of Searchlight's documentary The Secret Agent & resulting court case, responsible to a large degree in helping the BNP make a breakthrough

EMAIL FOR EDITOR'S ATTENTION


Dear Sir/Madam,

my attention has very recently been drawn to an article in your March issue by Dan Thain/Matthew McGregor on Blue State Digital's involvement in the 'Hope Not Hate' campaign here in the UK.

While agreeing with the need to oppose fascist groups like the BNP effectively, it is my considered contention that Hope Not Hate does not/did not do that. Therefore, the presentation by Thain/McGregor of this case study as 'success' is, in my considered opinion, tendentious.

I will happily write a reply, even if only a letter, explaining where their article has the facts wrong, if I can be sure it will be published (whether in print or on-line).

The latest issue of the magazine I edit, Notes From the Borderland, has a detailed critique (among other things) of Hope Not Hate that Blue State Digital have not responded to, despite being sent a copy and alerted to it in other ways.

Thain/McGregor's own expertise in the field of fighting fascism is, to put it politely, of uncertain provenance. My own dates back over 30 years, and includes the fact that my PhD (London University/2001) was in the very subject of modern Brituish fascism.

Feel free to copy this email to BSD: and inform them that while they can evade legitimate anti-fascist criticism like my own for the moment, that moment will not be eternal. I remain ready and willing to engage them in public debate about the efficacy (or otherwise) of their strategy, lucrative as it might well be.

Yours Sincerely,

Larry O'Hara
 
Larry, in all honesty I find some of your conclusions debatable. However, that anti fascism in Britain has problems, some of which you mention, is undeniable.

Equally interesting, and probably more productive from my point of view, might be an exposition of their solution/s. Or even better, is there already an anti fascism/anti fascist organisation you can point to, which is a good delineation of the way anti fascism should be working, comrade?
 
JimPage said:
Sorry, this sounds like a Searchlight press release, not an independant peice of analysis
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It is--written by their paid-for spin merchants in Blue State Digital. Utter bare-faced liars: try this one for size "HNH used Blue State Digital to build local networks..entirely autonomous from the official campaign structure". Yet the only campaign structure, and forum for discussion/mobilisation, is the centrally-controlled HNH web-site, there is nothing else. Therefore the claims for 'autonomy' are untrue--you BSD creeps will have to do better than this in the disinformation stakes.
 
Pickman's model said:
that's a pity, because you can't debate.
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What is the point of debating anti fascism, with somebody who doesn't believe there should be any anti fascism? Your comment is stupid.

Where as Larry suggests there is a legitimate alternative, so it perfectly reasonable, fraternal, to be honestly interested in what the alternative is. For as anti fascists, we both want the same goal. So unless you can explain how the question is unreasonable, shut up.
 
ResistanceMP3 said:
vWhere as Larry suggests there is a legitimate alternative, so it perfectly reasonable, fraternal, to be honestly interested in what the alternative is. For as anti fascists, we both want the same goal.
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I have written extensively on this in Notes From the Borderland (various issues, including latest, issue 9, which the SWP bookshop Bookmarks has always resolutely refused to sell (very "comradely"). I realise that for many, something not on the internet is not 'real', and when the NFB web-site is revamped (and the fact it is taking so long is due to factors outside our control) we will put a number of these on-line. Housmans bookshop 5 Caledonian Road Kings Cross sells the magazine (including all back issues) as does Freedom in Whitechapel & we on the NFB web-site (Google it) do also. Distributed by Central Books also. We also send copies to the British Library. Indeed, we sent a free sample copy to every University Politics Dept in the Uk & Eire recently. and so on. Pending web-site revamp, I'm not going to reproduce articles here. One was also sent to Martin Smith of LMHR. Ask him for his copy...
 
Larry O'Hara said:
I have written extensively on this in Notes From the Borderland (various issues, including latest, issue 9, which the SWP bookshop Bookmarks has always resolutely refused to sell (very "comradely"). I realise that for many, something not on the internet is not 'real', and when the NFB web-site is revamped (and the fact it is taking so long is due to factors outside our control) we will put a number of these on-line. Housmans bookshop 5 Caledonian Road Kings Cross sells the magazine (including all back issues) as does Freedom in Whitechapel & we on the NFB web-site (Google it) do also. Distributed by Central Books also. We also send copies to the British Library. Indeed, we sent a free sample copy to every University Politics Dept in the Uk & Eire recently. and so on. Pending web-site revamp, I'm not going to reproduce articles here. One was also sent to Martin Smith of LMHR. Ask him for his copy...
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Hey Larry, I have no problemn with, in fact I'm interested in looking at what you've got as an alternative. I must be honest, I don't want to read extensively, you surely must have a synopsis of the alternative. Not really interested in a critique of what we have at the moment, because I think we all have that already. I would really appreciate it if you could email me a PDF with a synopsis of the alternative to [email protected] and I will put it on www.ResistanceMP3.org.uk (when I get it working again).
 
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