Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack

[Wilf]

Completely by the by, all this carry on was last academic year. Assuming she was in an elected sabbatical post, I'd have thought she would have have finished now - but the reporting seems to refer to her as a current officer. Has she been re-elected or do they do a 2 year stint?

edit - ah, yes, she was - bottom of this:
Controversial Diversity officer Bahar Mustafa used images of women holding guns for election campaign | Eastlondonlines

 

[Nice one]

equally she could have been done under s127 of communications act, going off the language in the police press release. This is even vaguer so a bit more worrying:

A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message... that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character;

which could pretty much amount to anything. Plus there's no intent to determine and no individual who has to be communicated to. That said they fucked up a lot on these. Seems a bit of a 'political' decision to proceed with this either way.

 

[Blagsta]

Presumably there will be case law interpreting the vague statute law.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Presumably there will be case law interpreting the vague statute law.

Probably not much if any. Summary offenses only end up creating bodies of case law by getting appealed by way of case stated (ie on a point of law) to the Queen's Bench or if they give rise to a Judicial Review. It's a bit more complicated than that but, the short version is that this is probably not a provision that's been tested much.

 

[J Ed]

Katie Hopkins must be shitting herself

There is 0% chance Hopkins will be prosecuted

 

[Wilf]

Seems a bit of a 'political' decision to proceed with this either way.

Hard to tell really. The Lisa McKenzie prosecution was just as unwarranted but had a clear target - trying to stop Class War and others getting bolder with street actions. Not really sure what the target is in this case? There might be an attack on feminism hidden in there somewhere, but the case itself is about some daft and rather formulaic tweets. A very odd thing to go after.

 

[J Ed]

BTW as a white male can I say that all white men should be killed or will the CPS step in to protect me from inciting hatred against myself?

 

[Nice one]

Hard to tell really. The Lisa McKenzie prosecution was just as unwarranted but had a clear target - trying to stop Class War and others getting bolder with street actions. Not really sure what the target is in this case? There might be an attack on feminism hidden in there somewhere, but the case itself is about some daft and rather formulaic tweets. A very odd thing to go after.

aye, i meant 'political' in term of someone pulling strings to ensure it got to the stage that it has. Guaranted there's something going on in the background.

 

[belboid]

BTW as a white male can I say that all white men should be killed or will the CPS step in to protect me from inciting hatred against myself?

well, I wear the aforementioned 'Kill All Hippies' t-shirt from time to time, and seem to have got away with it so far

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Who cares?

What has happened to her is undeniably ridiculous, unacceptable and downright malicious, but she's not one of us.

 

[cesare]

Who cares?

What has happened to her is undeniably ridiculous, unacceptable and downright malicious, but she's not one of us.

If she can be stitched up like that, so can any of us.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

If she can be stitched up like that, so can any of us.

Well, yes, that's what antifascists say, don't they? but that's not the point here. The point is that we are somehow supposed to solidarise with a reactionary who has been involved in left/far left politics and has actively propagated anti working-class politics, knowingly and consciously. fuck that.

 

[8ball]

It's not specific and it would involve killing Liam Neeson, which means it's not credible.

 

[8ball]

If being a bit of a tit is a crime now I'm expecting to see a lot of arrests.

 

[8ball]

What the fuck are the CPS thinking about? Do hope the old bill are spending as much energy in tracking down the keyboard warriors who send death/rape threats to feminists online.

 

[cesare]

Well, yes, that's what antifascists say, don't they? but that's not the point here. The point is that we are somehow supposed to solidarise with a reactionary who has been involved in left/far left politics and has actively propagated anti working-class politics, knowingly and consciously. fuck that.

Describe the anti working-class politics that you say she's actively propagated.

 

[belboid]

Well, yes, that's what antifascists say, don't they? but that's not the point here. The point is that we are somehow supposed to solidarise with a reactionary who has been involved in left/far left politics and has actively propagated anti working-class politics, knowingly and consciously. fuck that.

So no solidarity with Stalinists, ever then. Even if they're unfairly prosecuted. Or with liberals. Or with, well, most people then.

 

[8ball]

If she can be stitched up like that, so can any of us.

I think just about any of us could be done for plenty of things we've said on this forum.

 

[DotCommunist]

I think just about any of us could be done for plenty of things we've said on this forum.

I would relish my day in court so hard you could bottle it and use it as a burger condiment

 

[ManchesterBeth]

So no solidarity with Stalinists, ever then. Even if they're unfairly prosecuted. Or with liberals. Or with, well, most people then.

Don't be silly. That's not what I said. Obviously we solidarise with Stalinists and liberals fighting in their class interest. That is a given. But her whole position in the SU is an anti-working class position, a position that discounts the centrality of class, a position that advocates the reification of race and the artificial redefinition of categories like black and white.

By Bahar's logic, 30 years ago, she would have had to exclude herself from the non-white event she organised as she would have been seen as politically white by PoC activists and the politically black diaspora - whereas asians, for instance, were not.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Describe the anti working-class politics that you say she's actively propagated.

Yeah I'd like to know the answer to this as well dialectician

If it's this you might have to go a bit slower for me

Don't be silly. That's not what I said. Obviously we solidarise with Stalinists and liberals fighting in their class interest. That is a given. But her whole position in the SU is an anti-working class position, a position that discounts the centrality of class, a position that advocates the reification of race and the artificial redefinition of categories like black and white.

 

[belboid]

Don't be silly. That's not what I said. Obviously we solidarise with Stalinists and liberals fighting in their class interest. That is a given. But her whole position in the SU is an anti-working class position, a position that discounts the centrality of class, a position that advocates the reification of race and the artificial redefinition of categories like black and white.

By Bahar's logic, 30 years ago, she would have had to exclude herself from the non-white event she organised as she would have been seen as politically white by PoC activists and the politically black diaspora - whereas asians, for instance, were not.

Crock of crap. Stalinists are far more anti working class. And Bahar doesn't live thirty years ago, she wasn't even born then, so who cares whether she'd have been allowed into a meeting which would never have happened anyway.

If you're going to be an ultra leftist buffoon, at least be a consistent ultra leftist buffoon.

 

[Wilf]

Don't be silly. That's not what I said. Obviously we solidarise with Stalinists and liberals fighting in their class interest. That is a given. But her whole position in the SU is an anti-working class position, a position that discounts the centrality of class, a position that advocates the reification of race and the artificial redefinition of categories like black and white.

By Bahar's logic, 30 years ago, she would have had to exclude herself from the non-white event she organised as she would have been seen as politically white by PoC activists and the politically black diaspora - whereas asians, for instance, were not.

She's in the bubble of student politics, she's got an unhealthy undercurrent of intersectionalism, she's come out with some anti-working class slogans. She's somebody who might well have ended up in some 'professional diversity post' or personnel department. None of that's good or stuff I go anywhere near agreeing with. But you are writing her off in equally absolutist tones, reducing the people we can have solidarity with to an absolute minimum, even when they are under attack from the state. People's lives are messy, their experiences complex, she's not someone I'd discount or demonise - even if I disagree with her daft tweets and all that shit about 'white trash'. FFS, I came out with all kinds of shit in my 20s.... 30s, 40s... right through to shit I've no doubt been talking today at 54.

 

[cesare]

She's in the bubble of student politics, she's got an unhealthy undercurrent of intersectionalism, she's come out with some anti-working class slogans. She's somebody who might well have ended up in some 'professional diversity post' or personnel department. None of that's good or stuff I go anywhere near agreeing with. But you are writing her off in equally absolutist tones, reducing the people we can have solidarity with to an absolute minimum, even when they are under attack from the state. People's lives are messy, their experiences complex, she's not someone I'd discount or demonise - even if I disagree with her daft tweets and all that shit about 'white trash'. FFS, I came out with all kinds of shit in my 20s.... 30s, 40s... right through to shit I've no doubt been talking today at 54.

Exactly. Under attack from the state but orchestrated by the liberal press via their old boys network.

 

[Wilf]

Exactly. Under attack from the state but orchestrated by the liberal press via their old boys network.

I doubt we'll hear the full story on where the original complaint came from on this. Somebody will have contacted the old bill, but like you say, what led up to that is the interesting bit. Could have been sorry random outraged student tory, but it's unlikely.

 

[cesare]

I doubt we'll hear the full story on where the original complaint came from on this. Somebody will have contacted the old bill, but like you say, what led up to that is the interesting bit. Could have been sorry random outraged student tory, but it's unlikely.

Might be worth turning up at court to find out.

 

[cutandsplice]

Might be worth turning up at court to find out.

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Might be worth turning up at court to find out.

She probably reported herself.

 

[DotCommunist]

as you do like. Loon

 

[cutandsplice]

as you do like. Loon

Or maybe it was her handler?

 

[Wilf]

Or maybe it was her handler?

What the fuck are you on about?