Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack

[Nancy_Winks]

It seems to me, in this thread at least (I'm not familiar with any other interactions) it's his work on anti-discrimination when he defends the right to cause offence that is the root of the ire.

I think he defended the right to be offensive in the context of discussing politics. Not to discriminate. There's been plenty of support for the right to be offensive on urban before (Charlie Hebdo).

Or have I misread. May of. Knackered.

 

[Diamond]

Well, I'm glad this thread has turned into another one about Diamond's glittering career.

Yeah, I'm going to duck out from yet another thread because it has turned into a predictable vehicle.

Ciao folks!

 

[cesare]

(((Diamond)))

 

[newbie]

And I don't see how my gender identity is at all political.

It's political because your own, individual, identification potentially has effects on other people. An assertion that there is no effect, or that there shouldn't be, is a political statement, a narrow expression of the wider 'ain't no such thing as society'. Rejecting the wide does not necessarily mean rejecting the narrow, but the questions it raises are political ones.

 

[editor]

If there's any more pro bono talk, pro banno may follow-o.

 

[co-op]

What takes the piss is that trans peoples experiences and sense of sex/gender and bodies are constantly held up for more deconstruction and criticism, whilst regularly asserted to be less valid ('real') than cis peoples

Do you think anyone on this thread has asserted that trans peoples' experiences and sense of sex/gender are less valid or less real than anyone elses? I really haven't seen that.

 

[Athos]

Yeah, I'm going to duck out from yet another thread because it has turned into a predictable vehicle.

Ciao folks!

As I said when you made a similar comment on the manslaughter/self-defence thread:

Why do you it keeps happening? Something about you? Or about everyone else?

 

[cesare]

Do you think anyone on this thread has asserted that trans peoples' experiences and sense of sex/gender are less valid or less real than anyone elses? I really haven't seen that.

 

[The39thStep]

Has she gone yet?

 

[krink]

Who would be pro bono?I hate him.

 

[Pickman's model]

Who would be pro bono?I hate him.

 

[Citizen66]

If there's any more pro bono talk, pro banno may follow-o.

It was other people bringing it up.

 

[cesare]

It was other people bringing it up.

I think this is a general warning that everyone's got to say free instead.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think this is a general warning that everyone's got to say free instead.

won't be free if diamond cocks it up and gets sued. i'd like to think that's beyond the realms of possibility but i don't think it is.

 

[cesare]

won't be free if diamond cocks it up and gets sued. i'd like to think that's beyond the realms of possibility but i don't think it is.

SRA Indemnity Insurance innit

 

[Pickman's model]

SRA Indemnity Insurance innit

won't help him if he gets struck off

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ok - I have n fucking idea what you're on about then.

And I don't see how my gender identity is at all political.

Everything is political, and as that twat Marshall McLuhan was so fond of saying, "the personal is political".

 

[Pickman's model]

kabbes http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...icer-facing-sack.335058/page-22#post-13906516 any chance of an answer?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Gender is certainly a political issue. What takes the piss is that trans peoples experiences and sense of sex/gender and bodies are constantly held up for more deconstruction and criticism...

And not just in the media, in academe too. Trans studies as a separate "discipline" to gender studies seems to be an up-and-coming field in the way that disability studies was 25 years ago. As with disability studies, I'm ambivalent about whether it's a good or a bad thing to happen. It sheds light, but sometimes it does so by throwing fuel on the fire.
I suppose the social model of disability (that society disables) could be applied to form a "social model of trans", as again it's wider society and the state that ostracises or invalidates the individual and the community, not the central fact of their identity - being trans.

whilst regularly asserted to be less valid ('real') than cis peoples - all the fucking time and to a degree which most cis people don't ever have to deal with. Trans women particularly then get exposed to daily cis-sexism too - wear jeans and hoody 'she's a man/not trying hard enough', wear a dress 'she's reinforcing patriarchal notions of feminity', dare to speak up and call cis people out 'that's male privilege/socialisation'.

Unfortunately, that seems to be life for most minorities - whatever you do is open to question and contingent in ways that the utterances and actions of people who conform to "normative" standards rarely are. This makes it much easier to shut someone from a minority down.
What is pernicious (IMO) for trans people is that little social and legal debate has taken place that validates trans to the majority, and this doesn't appear to have been because there's no utility to doing so, but because it would make waves in terms of power-relations, both individual and communal.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do you think anyone on this thread has asserted that trans peoples' experiences and sense of sex/gender are less valid or less real than anyone elses? I really haven't seen that.

Maybe not on here, but "out there"?

 

[ViolentPanda]

SRA Indemnity Insurance innit

He has to indemnify himself against charges of Satanic Ritual Abuse?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Tbh if the only problem people have with Diamond is that he says he does pro bono work (that's representing someone as a lawyer without charging right?) then I think the witch hunt could be called off. It's a good thing to be doing, and it's giving something back, and you might think he shouldn't mention it or boast about it (if he has) but if that's the most of peoples problem with him then this is pretty unpleasant mob stuff. I suspect it's just cos he's a lawyer full stop. And I dunno how justified that is?

I think it's just because he's a massive self satisfied cunt to be honest.

 

[frogwoman]

Gender is certainly a political issue. What takes the piss is that trans peoples experiences and sense of sex/gender and bodies are constantly held up for more deconstruction and criticism, whilst regularly asserted to be less valid ('real') than cis peoples - all the fucking time and to a degree which most cis people don't ever have to deal with. Trans women particularly then get exposed to daily cis-sexism too - wear jeans and hoody 'she's a man/not trying hard enough', wear a dress 'she's reinforcing patriarchal notions of feminity', dare to speak up and call cis people out 'that's male privilege/socialisation'.

yep

 

[equationgirl]

On what basis do you make that assessment?

Your own posts. Obviously.

 

[Diamond]

If there's any more pro bono talk, pro banno may follow-o.

Heelarious. You would ban me because people give me shit for working pro bono?

Choice stuff and a real low for this board and its members...

 

[equationgirl]

Heelarious. You would ban me because people give me shit for working pro bono?

Choice stuff and a real low for this board and its members...

Most people getting a ban break the cardinal rule of urban 'don't be a dick', especially if one of the mods suggests they stop doing something and they carry on.

I suspect your repeated mention of doing certain work for free might well fall into this category, but I'm not a mod.

 

[DotCommunist]

it was a joke based on eds long standing hatred of Bono out of U2

 

[cesare]

#freediamond

 

[brogdale]

#freediamond

je suis diamant

 

[DotCommunist]

we are all Diamond