Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack

[Pickman's model]

I don't think she should be sacked. The students themselves can decide on if she is the person they want to elect.

she won't be sacked, no time for no confidence procedure before end of term.

 

[cesare]

this is a one-year elected position.

If her electorate aren't happy, is a petition the normal way of raising that? I'd have thought there would have been some kind of internal procedure for a confidence vote that wasn't a petition.

Edit: cross posted

 

[brogdale]

Not sure. I think the comments were probably naivety rather than some planned attempt at notoriety.

I'm not sure that naivety covers it tbh. If the Indy reported her words correctly, the only regret that she expressed was that the tweets were "not professional", and the trope represented "in-jokes".

Mustafa said her use of the term "white trash" - an offensive American term referring to poor white people following the Great Depression - on an official account had been "not professional".

But she added the uses of hashtags such as "kill all white men" on her personal account were "in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves".

"It's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily," she added.

 

[killer b]

If 'sticking our heads above the parapet' means taking a salaried position as a diversity officer and tweeting inflammatory shite...then, yeah...probably.

The tweeting of inflammatory shit isn't what brought her to their attention - it was the BME-only meeting she organised. The inflammatory shit is just some hostages she gave to fortune. Similar (if less extreme) hostages are given by posters here, and thousands of other left-wing inclined people every day, who may now - justifiably - feel less inclined to bring themselves to attention.

 

[cesare]

I'm not sure that naivety covers it tbh. If the Indy reported her words correctly, the only regret that she expressed was that the tweets were "not professional", and the trope represented "in-jokes".

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It's still naive.

 

[Pickman's model]

If her electorate aren't happy, is a petition the normal way of raising that? I'd have thought there would have been some kind of internal procedure for a confidence vote that wasn't a petition.

Edit: cross posted

in general vy difficult to remove a sabbatical which requires a quorate general meeting and maybe two quorate meetings. not going to happen.

 

[cesare]

in general vy difficult to remove a sabbatical which requires a quorate general meeting and maybe two quorate meetings. not going to happen.

So that's why whoever is behind this, organised a petition and media coverage instead.

 

[Pickman's model]

So that's why whoever is behind this, organised a petition and media coverage instead.

i forget the specifick method at goldsmiths, where a petition msy be necessary to start things off. but quorate gms in exams? no.

 

[killer b]

I read something the other day that suggested a third of the student body have to ask for a recall, and then two thirds vote her off in the ensuing election (can't find the reference now though)

 

[Pickman's model]

I read something the other day that suggested a third of the student body have to ask for a recall, and then two thirds vote her off in the ensuing election (can't find the reference now though)

term ends round 12/6, and it simply ain't gonna happen.

 

[Nice one]

I'm not sure that naivety covers it tbh. If the Indy reported her words correctly, the only regret that she expressed was that the tweets were "not professional", and the trope represented "in-jokes".

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the newly elected campaigns co-ordinator at goldsmiths also used the #killallwhitemen on his twitter and had to publicly apologise for it. He is white and male, so go figure. It seems to be a goldsmiths self referential arrogant lefty injoke that probably works well in the student union bar amongst like minded people who are educated enough to understand the formula.

 

[cesare]

i forget the specifick method at goldsmiths, where a petition msy be necessary to start things off. but quorate gms in exams? no.

Cheers.

 

[Pickman's model]

the newly elected campaigns co-ordinator at goldsmiths also used the #killallwhitemen on his twitter and had to publicly apologise for it. He is white and male, so go figure. It seems to be a goldsmiths self referential arrogant lefty injoke that probably works well in the student union bar amongst like minded people who are educated enough to understand the formula.

or pissed

 

[cesare]

the newly elected campaigns co-ordinator at goldsmiths also used the #killallwhitemen on his twitter and had to publicly apologise for it. He is white and male, so go figure. It seems to be a goldsmiths self referential arrogant lefty injoke that probably works well in the student union bar amongst like minded people who are educated enough to understand the formula.

This #killallwhitemen isn't new, eh. It's an established trope which would be quite good if it was actually funny.

 

[brogdale]

the newly elected campaigns co-ordinator at goldsmiths also used the #killallwhitemen on his twitter and had to publicly apologise for it. He is white and male, so go figure. It seems to be a goldsmiths self referential arrogant lefty injoke that probably works well in the student union bar amongst like minded people who are educated enough to understand the formula.

Well...if I go figure...it seems that he obviously felt it was an error to tweet that, or he would have felt no need to apologise for it. For the succeeding officer to do the same appears to suggest that she either failed to learn from his experience, or wilfully sought to perpetuate the 'in joke'...whatever the consequences.

 

[Nice one]

This #killallwhitemen isn't new, eh. It's an established trope which would be quite good if it was actually funny.

in terms of goldsmiths, don't know how old it is. He used the term in may of this year after being elected along with mustafa. I think it's a massive red herring personally, although jackpot for a mainstream press looking a scream out headline.

 

[brogdale]

This #killallwhitemen isn't new, eh. It's an established trope which would be quite good if it was actually funny.

Would "all white men" include jews?

 

[cesare]

in terms of goldsmiths, don't know how old it is. He used the term in may of this year after being elected along with mustafa. I think it's a massive red herring personally, although jackpot for a mainstream press looking a scream out headline.

Aye.

 

[cesare]

Would "all white men" include jews?

I've got no idea. Why bring Jews into it?

 

[Pickman's model]

I've got no idea. Why bring Jews into it?

angling for another standard headline

 

[Nice one]

Well...if I go figure...it seems that he obviously felt it was an error to tweet that, or he would have felt no need to apologise for it. For the succeeding officer to do the same appears to suggest that she either failed to learn from his experience, or wilfully sought to perpetuate the 'in joke'...whatever the consequences.

just to clarify they both got elected together this year as officers. I'm assuming they are either good friends or have shared political outlooks.

incoming sabb apologies for tweet

 

[cesare]

angling for another standard headline

Quite!

 

[brogdale]

I've got no idea. Why bring Jews into it?

Just trying to explore quite how funny this joke is/was.

 

[Citizen66]

I've got no idea. Why bring Jews into it?

Because presumably white means oppressor rather than oppressed.

 

[cesare]

Just trying to explore quite how funny this joke is/was.

I don't think #killallwhitemenexceptjews is any funnier, tbh.

 

[Athos]

What about the other spokes on the intersectionalist wheel? Don't we need some sort of Boolean operator?

#killALL(whiteANDmen)EXCEPT(jewsORgaysORdisabledORgypsy [etc., etc.])

Not quite so catchy, though.

 

[Nancy_Winks]

This entire thing is just an irrelevant fuss about fuck all. Like all twitter politics.

 

[cesare]

This entire thing is just an irrelevant fuss about fuck all. Like all twitter politics.

It's primarily student politics that's spilled onto Twitter, I think.

 

[emanymton]

Not sure. I think the comments were probably naivety rather than some planned attempt at notoriety.

isn't it mainly a case of taking shit like many of us might do with mates? Just that with Twitter and Facebook the boundary between public and private is fading. And that some people aren't sensible enough to realise this.

I remember back when the invasion of Afghanistan was kicking off and I was setting up an anti-war stall and my mate come to help us. When he got there he pulled me away from anyone else and and told me the following joke.

'Bin Laden was on ready steady cook last night. He made a big apple crumble'

He was sensible enough to make sure no one else heard. But had it been made it a public way (like twitter is) and had either of is been worth the effort it is the sort of thing that could be used as ammunition.

 

[cesare]

isn't it mainly a case of taking shit like many of us might do with mates? Just that with Twitter and Facebook the boundary between public and private is fading. And that some people aren't sensible enough to realise this.

I remember back when the invasion of Afghanistan was kicking off and I was setting up an anti-war stall and my mate come to help us. When he got there he pulled me away from anyone else and and told me the following joke.

'Bin Laden was on ready steady cook last night. He made a big apple crumble'

He was sensible enough to make sure no one else heard. But had it been made it a public way (like twitter is) and had either of is been worth the effort it is the sort of thing that could be used as ammunition.

I think that's probably got a lot to do with it. There's been so many instances of twitter storms you'd think people would have learnt by now, but it seems not.