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Bring back hanging
The larger ones. They might use this stuff. Who else might?
Goldsmiths University Diversity officer facing sack
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bimble
floofy
Yep. The really shit thing is that that twitter account (now hidden / deleted) belongs to the president of Goldsmiths Islamic society. yep the one one that the feminist & LGBT socs fell over themselves to side with on this issue.
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soas and goldsmiths were prominent in doing stuff in 2010 student riots, govt, shat it a bit, started mi5 on recruiting kids at 16/17 telling them to certain unis join certain soceitys. consensus democracy started/became more prominent in 2nd ucl occupation that year, jazz hands etc. also after occupy they sent people to do masters and get involved in student politics. they being the mi5. I know we are supposed to believe that its only the police the NECTU NPIOU mark kennedys mob that do the infiltrating, but its not, they work in partnership, for example on manufacturing the fake credivbilty boosting socks with GCHQ/ pitchfrod is SOLELY about police, those students at soas are dicks "how long have you been in the security services" - "i dont have to tell you that," rather than no , no student is gonna be a cop, but i expect in their internal arguments they reckon they are practising entryism into the security services, doing a service by changing the demographics of previously public school boy straight white (paedo covering up) territory.
bimble
floofy
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
sorry first post , long time reader (digger for data etc) - yeah i think, its obvious to think "wankers" with these students, but they are spies. paragraphs paragraphs
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
1) Which students are you suggesting are spies?
2) What evidence do you have for this assertion?
the aborted goldsmiths occupation of last year , "occupy goldsmiths" and the recent "occupy soas" using jazz hands , who taught them this - when it was occupy st pauls they got it from 15M , this lot claim to have got it from Free university of Amsterdam. often i find "evidence" is a function of how well and eloquently you can put your words. but yes i am asserting that the leading cadre of SOAS , whos names they refused to give us have relationships with the security industry.
BigTom
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Students I know in Birmingham mainly came through climate camp (with People and Planet as a feeder into climate camp), that's where they learned jazz hands and consensus politics. edit: and I would have thought it has just stayed in student politics over the years, it was endemic around 2010/11 ime.
yes climate camp and its continuations - reclaim the power et al - are something we are researching as well as the FOUR companies offering to train people in this REALLY EFFECTIVIE method of organizing (really effective for 3 or 4 people acting secretly in concert to swing it whichever way they or their political masters choose) - seeds for change, catalyst, london roots, rhizome - fronts for the security services,
BigTom
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who is "we"? edit; I mean, which group is it that you are part of that is doing the researching?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
You're spouting completely unsubstantiated bollocks. Suggesting people work for or with the security services is something not to be done lightly or without real evidence. And by evidence I don't mean rumors, half baked theories, feelings, or personal grudges.
Until you can provide evidence of some description I suggest you fuck off with your drivel.
sorry can you tell me a description of what evidence would look like please? examples of something that could be transmitted in words or picture or video form through the internet that we could call evidence. Confessions are the best of course, but maybe thats why im attempting to pique some peoples interest on this forum rather than just reading it, to get some other info - im suspect of consensus democracy and the groups that peddle it, yes because iv seen it fuck up lots of things over the last 5 years, the perfectly decent meeting, that suddenly "needs a facilitator" - and i wonder where this lot got all their cash. https://www.duedil.com/company/04213118/seeds-for-change-lancaster-co-operative-ltd/financials but this is off topic - the mi5 certainly work along side police and corporate assets, (for example journalists,) in subverting and informing on protests. Green entryism, the death of brian haw. but yeah 2010 student riots, shocked the authorities, cops cant pass as students, spies recruited younger, they go into these unis and start the occupations. i was there in 2010 and jazz hands was brought in , late to the campaign, 2nd ucl occupation, safe spaces intersectionality that triad -
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
The jazz hands consensus stuff has been a long time and isn't an obvious indication of Mi5 involvement, to say the least. If you've got something specific, something indicating police/security involvement, you should disseminate it through relevant networks. Otherwise, spraying this stuff around is pointless.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
nah, theres a distinction between cops and spies , the latter is more defensible in these peoples heads, and while jazz hands has been going a long time in maybe the greener movements , the transition for it being a form of organization from them towards other causes - housing etc is new. the revalent networks, yeah, one of the main things we are working from is a database of all the occupy london groupspaces emails - and these organizations that promote consensus democracy as a way to organize, if anyone has any info on this. specifically how long it has been about. sorry, it doesnt really matter, theres no one that really cares.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Of course the hippies were part of COINTELPRO
i know it says in "undercover- the true story of britains secret police" and on the MI5 website that protest and public order are the domain of the police now and mi5 dont touch it but come oN!, does anyone recall the last time a protest went to mi5? a building that is always open, easy as hell to shut down (better target than parliment on a saturday IMO) but never done. . bit odd.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
First time I saw it (jazzhands) in practice was the g8 camp at stirling, 2005, but it predates that I'm sure.
BigTom
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Police will definitely have infiltrated the student movement, probably through climate camp. GCHQ will definitely have monitored communications. MI5 probably have some files and a case officer or whatever they would call them keeping an eye on them along with loads of other left-radicals, just in case someone decides to go all red army faction, but I would need hard evidence to believe they were recruiting people at 16/17 to infiltrate the student movement.
come on dave spart picture at least plz dotn do poetry
sorry wrong photo.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Evidence could take various forms, so it would be silly for anyone to say what forms it should take. And evidence doesn't necessarily mean absolute definitive proof, it could be something which raises suspicions without being enough to prove "beyond reasonable doubt". But if you (especially as a new poster who nobody knows, I'm afraid) are expecting to be taken seriously, you need to provide something and so far you haven't come up with anything concrete, just some ideas which admittedly could be true, but nothing to begin to back them up.
And you should also bear in mind that some people posting here might well be involved with groups which actually have been infiltrated, and/or know individuals whose lives have been seriously affected, so it's not a subject on which idle groundless speculation is likely to be appreciated.
this is Janie Mac - she is a legal observer for the green and black cross- here she is receiving a cheque from LUSH - (who also fund things like Balcombe anti fracking bollocks) - run by mi5s jamie kelsey fry Janie Mac | Facebook -
here is Statement of Solidarity with Simon Moore a petition for simon moore - ( son of mi6 man - but in my book a good egg) protesting against an "olympic Asbo) - simon was also part of democracy village, portions of which harrassed and helped Brian Haw to his death.(but thats another chapter- in my book - to be published post revolution - "the fictionilization of dissent - protest 2009 - ) -blog: 17.12.2010. UPDATE ...my new campaign, is a campaign against Brian Haw..." well worth a watch though, (hard viewing) -
here so shes signing it from this he smackedbroaccount - WHICH! is this guy - Off to get clean and sober
Seamus Colligan
http://www.soundthealarm.org.uk/seamus-colligan/
who are warned about here - now
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm vaguely aware of 'consultants' or other assorted twats who pop up from time to time to 'advise' protest groups, train them etc. Yes, it's plausible that the security services would see these as a fine old way in to the more naive groups who might take them seriously. However you must see that as a new poster who no one knows, people are going to be sceptical about your claims. If you've really got a history in the movement(s), why don't you take this to your group(s)? If there's something people should know, get it out there, properly. Otherwise this is just random flatus.
this is Janie Mac - she is a legal observer for the green and black cross- here she is receiving a cheque from LUSH - (who also fund things like Balcombe anti fracking bollocks) - run by mi5s jamie kelsey fry Janie Mac | Facebook -
here is Statement of Solidarity with Simon Moore a petition for simon moore - ( son of mi6 man - but in my book a good egg) protesting against an "olympic Asbo) - simon was also part of democracy village, portions of which harrassed and helped Brian Haw to his death.(but thats another chapter- in my book - to be published post revolution - "the fictionilization of dissent - protest 2009 - ) -blog: 17.12.2010. UPDATE ...my new campaign, is a campaign against Brian Haw..." well worth a watch though, (hard viewing) -
here so shes signing it from this he smackedbroaccount - WHICH! is this guy - Off to get clean and sober
Seamus Colligan
http://www.soundthealarm.org.uk/seamus-colligan/
who are warned about here - now
You are either a returnee, about 13 or need help.
The same accusation could be levelled at me sometimes but there you go....
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