Gender idealism?

[PTK]

"Idealism considersspirit (consciousness, concepts, the subject) as the source of all that existson earth, and matter (nature and society, the object) as secondary andsubordinate, Materialism recognizes the independent existence of matter asdetached from spirit and considers spirit as secondary and subordinate."

- DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM

Why are you quoting Mao? Are you not able to define materialism in your own words? You are behaving like a religious evangelist. What Mao says here is no more profound than Wikipedia.

 

[Yugoslav]

You ar

Why are you quoting Mao? Are you not able to define materialism in your own words? You are behaving like a religious evangelist. What Mao says here is no more profound than Wikipedia.

The universal consensus of materialism is that it rejects the notion that all reality is formed from ideas. We have seen time and time again that many of the self-professed "socialists" are forgetting that materialism rejects idealism.

The gender idealists will say,

Yes, we may ought to abolish the traditional gender norms, but to abolish gender norms themselves may be harmful to an institution entrusted with a new gender label that is non-conforming to the conventional capitalist norms imposed on men and women. For the essence of liberation is to be isolated from capitalism with your own fantasy!

This is how these profound "progressives" mock the entire world with their postmodernist nonsense!

 

[krtek a houby]

Tell us what you really think.

 

[Yugoslav]

Tell us what you really think.

Very well. Based on what I understand. We are not in any way helping the people abolish gender stereotypes by letting them create their own "genders" and "pronouns". To say that the Democrats, the Fabians, the Labour Party, and any other social democratic/social liberal party is worthy of helping to "abolish gender norms" by reinforcing new ones is how the reactionary logic acts as such. Not only is it a form of division under a new name, but it really discredits socialism worldwide whenever these fools pertain to use the title "anti-capitalism" as a means of explaining why they have to reinforce gender under a new name.

 

[krtek a houby]

Very well. Based on what I understand. We are not in any way helping the people abolish gender stereotypes by letting them create their own "genders" and "pronouns".

You don't seem to understand them, and on top of that, you wish to stamp on their freedom to be who they wish to be. I see.

"letting them", FFS.

 

[Yugoslav]

You don't seem to understand them, and on top of that, you wish to stamp on their freedom to be who they wish to be. I see.

"letting them", FFS.

Define me what "freedom" is in your eyes?

For me, freedom is the emancipation of a society from the hands of capitalism and the withering away of the state that follows after the global downfall of capitalism.

 

[krtek a houby]

Define me what "freedom" is in your eyes?

For me, freedom is the emancipation of a society from the hands of capitalism and the withering away of the state that follows after the global downfall of capitalism.

But also, not letting trans people be themselves. They have to function under your rules, right?

 

[Yugoslav]

But also, not letting trans people be themselves. They have to function under your rules, right?

Here is a definition of a transgender person from simple searching,

denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth.

Gender dysphoria is the material condition that drives the transgender idea. What we know of is the difference is that a tomboy is not by any means a "trans man" because she is comfortable by being a little masculine while retaining a female body. That is because it would be preposterous to reduce the notion of transgender as being something that dresses and behaves as an opposite gender for fun.

What trans people are is not the same as what tomboys and femboys are. Sure, both of them may have gender dysphoria but the difference is that trans people actually want to be the desired gender unlike tomboys and femboys who just want to dress differently and not really care about if they wanna be full-on biological men or women. Hence, the campaign for a full, free, and satisfying affirming care for trans people which is also free but fair and just is what we need to give emancipation of trans people from their gender dysphoria that they're suffering from.

 

[PTK]

I thought that the term "tomboy" went out of use about the same time that women in London were allowed to drive buses.

 

[InArduisFouette]

You're almost there but you fail to realize that not everyone has a "transgender consciousness" (gender dysphoria). You should pick carefully on who to affirm and medically transition because you don't wanna ruin the wrong person's body or life. Hence, a two-stage path towards gender-affirming care which includes a therapy, a fulfillment of medical criteria from such, and finally entering the medical transition in which the trans person is liberated of their misery of the "wrong body".

thanks for coming out as a clear transphobe
for someone who talks a lot about liberation you are very keen on policing women's bodies

 

[InArduisFouette]

Could you explain a bit more about abolishing the gender label?

much like 'Gender Critical' so -called Feminists he won't be able to , because when 'Gender is abolished' the sole determinant of womanhood is the ability to act as a broodmare

yet Deluded Communists, like the so called 'Gender Critical' transphobes once again play into the hands of the patriarchy

 

[InArduisFouette]

I thought that the term "tomboy" went out of use about the same time that women in London were allowed to drive buses.

tomboy is perfectly valid term for a cisgender woman whose interests and/or aesthetic are somewhat masculine without falling into the Butch /Stud area

 

[InArduisFouette]

Why are you quoting Mao? Are you not able to define materialism in your own words? You are behaving like a religious evangelist. What Mao says here is no more profound than Wikipedia.

This is why the OP keeps failing the voight-kampff test, Editor is only keeping him around for the comedy value

 

[InArduisFouette]

Define me what "freedom" is in your eyes?

For me, freedom is the emancipation of a society from the hands of capitalism and the withering away of the state that follows after the global downfall of capitalism.

for white cisgender heterosexual males ?

you are just another misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic one dimensional beard stroking twatwaffle

 

[existentialist]

tomboy is perfectly valid term for a cisgender woman whose interests and/or aesthetic are somewhat masculine without falling into the Butch /Stud area

That might be so, but I think the OP is conflating "tomboy" with gender stuff (particularly dysphoria). It's a slang term without a clear meaning, yet he's used it several times in support of his weird argument.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

interesting turn of language that both 'tomboy' (been around a long time, arguably becoming archaic) and 'femboy' (relatively recent) both include 'boy' which seems fairly illogical...

 

[editor]

Here is a definition of a transgender person from simple searching,


Gender dysphoria is the material condition that drives the transgender idea. What we know of is the difference is that a tomboy is not by any means a "trans man" because she is comfortable by being a little masculine while retaining a female body. That is because it would be preposterous to reduce the notion of transgender as being something that dresses and behaves as an opposite gender for fun.

What trans people are is not the same as what tomboys and femboys are. Sure, both of them may have gender dysphoria but the difference is that trans people actually want to be the desired gender unlike tomboys and femboys who just want to dress differently and not really care about if they wanna be full-on biological men or women. Hence, the campaign for a full, free, and satisfying affirming care for trans people which is also free but fair and just is what we need to give emancipation of trans people from their gender dysphoria that they're suffering from.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of posters here have little inclination to listen to your hot take on trans issues.

 

[InArduisFouette]

That might be so, but I think the OP is conflating "tomboy" with gender stuff (particularly dysphoria). It's a slang term without a clear meaning, yet he's used it several times in support of his weird argument.

tru dat

 

[InArduisFouette]

interesting turn of language that both 'tomboy' (been around a long time, arguably becoming archaic) and 'femboy' (relatively recent) both include 'boy' which seems fairly illogical...

relates to the centring of maleness and the policing of feminity

 

[8ball]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of posters here have little inclination to listen to your hot take on trans issues.

That would explain the 14 page thread..

 

[InArduisFouette]

That would explain the 14 page thread..

if you remove all the urine extraction posts the meat and bones of the thread is rather more sparse

 

[8ball]

if you remove all the urine extraction posts the meat and bones of the thread is rather more sparse

That’s entertainment…

 

[PTK]

tomboy is perfectly valid term for a cisgender woman whose interests and/or aesthetic are somewhat masculine without falling into the Butch /Stud area

If you say so. I think it is grossly sexist.

 

[existentialist]

If you say so. I think it is grossly sexist.

I just think that it's one of those terms that's out of date to the point of irrelevance. I think it was often used as a euphemism for "lesbian", but also tended to be used to, er, "gay shame" women who just chose not to conform to the prevailing gender stereotypes. Nowadays, it comes across a bit clunky and vague. The OP betrays his complete lack of awareness around gender by even using such a term to make his argument (or what passes for one), in my view.

 

[freshapple]

That would explain the 14 page thread..

There seems to be a market for it

 

[InArduisFouette]

There seems to be a market for it

AI references, Bot references, a few Blade runner references , plus the side bar discussion oabut the term 'tomboy' ... but the OP really hasn't taken onboard that no one is actually interested in his frantic ejaculations , just ridiculing them as shit takes

 

[PTK]

I just think that it's one of those terms that's out of date to the point of irrelevance. I think it was often used as a euphemism for "lesbian", but also tended to be used to, er, "gay shame" women who just chose not to conform to the prevailing gender stereotypes. Nowadays, it comes across a bit clunky and vague. The OP betrays his complete lack of awareness around gender by even using such a term to make his argument (or what passes for one), in my view.

From where is the Original Poster posting? Is English his first language?

 

[PTK]

I just think that it's one of those terms that's out of date to the point of irrelevance. I think it was often used as a euphemism for "lesbian", but also tended to be used to, er, "gay shame" women who just chose not to conform to the prevailing gender stereotypes. Nowadays, it comes across a bit clunky and vague. The OP betrays his complete lack of awareness around gender by even using such a term to make his argument (or what passes for one), in my view.

The person to whom I was replying was defending the use of the "tomboy", and his response demonstrates my contention in an earlier post that some trans rights activists reinforce gender stereotypes.

 

[Yugoslav]

for white cisgender heterosexual males ?

you are just another misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic one dimensional beard stroking twatwaffle

Is this another Fabian opportunist terminology used to discredit Marxism-Leninism?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Define me what "freedom" is in your eyes?

For me, freedom is the emancipation of a society from the hands of capitalism and the withering away of the state that follows after the global downfall of capitalism.

That may be the biggest piece of bullshit that I have read in my 68 years of being able to read.