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Gender idealism?

ouirdeaux said:
Fuxake, it's an obvious troll. Someone familiar with the board, probably banned for whatever, and striking controversial poses that they know will encourage responses of various kinds.
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I think you're right. I've thrown out a few softball questions that a True Believer would have been all over, but this one hasn't bitten once, just rolled around into the same circular arguments.

Someone's having a bit of stupid fun.
 
"The social-democrats began their betrayal by getting away from the basic teachings of Marxism-Leninism, which they proclaim as out-dated and inexpedient, by renouncing the class struggle and replacing it with the "theory" of harmony and reconciliation of classes, by negating the revolution and replacing it with reforms within the capitalist order, by giving up the revolutionary way and replacing it with "peaceful", "democratic" and parliamentary method, by denying the indispensability of breaking up the old bourgeois state machinery and accepting the capitalist state as a means to cross over to socialism, by withholding their assent to the dictatorship of the proletariat and replacing it with "pure and general democracy", by departing from proletarian internationalism and going so far the other way as to plunge into positions of the national-chauvinists, to open union with the imperialist bourgeoisie."

- The Modern Revisionists

This analysis is undeniable proof that Marxism-Leninism does not tolerate gender idealism, especially the revisionists who are trying to reinforce traditional gender norms the opposite way. Gender ought to be abolished as a label and in a society of communism, there is man, woman, and Intersex, the three material aspects of gender itself from nothing more than basic elementary school biology.
 
ouirdeaux said:
Fuxake, it's an obvious troll. Someone familiar with the board, probably banned for whatever, and striking controversial poses that they know will encourage responses of various kinds.
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These troll/banned returner threads bore the crap out of me. If I was the boss they wouldn't get past 1 post. Why people indulge these sad people is a mystery.
 
krink said:
These troll/banned returner threads bore the crap out of me. If I was the boss they wouldn't get past 1 post. Why people indulge these sad people is a mystery.
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Because, imho, some of them are incredibly toxic and they can linger and fuck up threads for months or years.

There's enough trolls and shit posters on social media, they shouldn't be here.
 
InArduisFouette said:
you really are talking shite here

a genuine and compassionate response to trans people , regardless of their or your politico-ideological-philosophical position should be

1. I want to ensure you have access to the Gender affirming care you want or need at your pace and without judgement
2. I want a society that accepts you as you are and has legal protections for people who are gender incongruent / have the protected Characteristic of Gender Reassignment ( which the UK's Equality act 2010 aims to do on paper and was doing until the Selfservatives tried to undermine it and the EHRC by packign the EHRC with stooges)
3. i want a legal system which either does not record sex and gender unless needed for clinical purposes OR has a system of self declaration with suitable protectiosn against the system being abused.


and if peopel want to claim a 'trans agenda' the above three points are what it might actually look like , rather than the MAGAt/ Evangintal ./TERF wank -addled pornsick lunacy around ' cross dressing men dominating women;s sports' , 'transing children at school' and 'furries shitting in litter trays in the classroom' ...
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You're almost there but you fail to realize that not everyone has a "transgender consciousness" (gender dysphoria). You should pick carefully on who to affirm and medically transition because you don't wanna ruin the wrong person's body or life. Hence, a two-stage path towards gender-affirming care which includes a therapy, a fulfillment of medical criteria from such, and finally entering the medical transition in which the trans person is liberated of their misery of the "wrong body".
 
Yugoslav said:
You're almost there but you fail to realize that not everyone has a "transgender consciousness" (gender dysphoria). You should pick carefully on who to affirm and medically transition because you don't wanna ruin the wrong person's body or life. Hence, a two-stage path towards gender-affirming care which includes a therapy, a fulfillment of medical criteria from such, and finally entering the medical transition in which the trans person is liberated of their misery of the "wrong body".
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Ah, still demonstrating your notorious flexibility of mind, then?
 
existentialist said:
I think quite a lot of people in Russia, and the former Soviet republics, might not agree with you.
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Actually, the Russians would because Yeltsin destroyed the economy, allowed for oligarchy to take power, and then Putin is waging an anti-Slavic war against Ukraine which is a treachery of Slavdom and socialism! Had there been no Gorbachov, there wouldn't be no Russophilia!
 
Yugoslav said:
Actually, the Russians would because Yeltsin destroyed the economy, allowed for oligarchy to take power, and then Putin is waging an anti-Slavic war against Ukraine which is a treachery of Slavdom and socialism! Had there been no Gorbachov, there wouldn't be no Russophilia!
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Vlasti, siloviki, nomenklatura, all terms used in the pure Soviet union long before Yeltsin or Gorbachev.

Whatever the Soviet state was, it wasn't communism, and it certainly wasn't operating according to the high-minded ideals you maintain are there. The reality is that, in 100 years of Marxism-Leninism, nobody has managed to sustainably operate a society based on those principles that hasn't imploded in some pretty catastrophic manner.
 
Yugoslav said:
"The social-democrats began their betrayal by getting away from the basic teachings of Marxism-Leninism, which they proclaim as out-dated and inexpedient, by renouncing the class struggle and replacing it with the "theory" of harmony and reconciliation of classes, by negating the revolution and replacing it with reforms within the capitalist order, by giving up the revolutionary way and replacing it with "peaceful", "democratic" and parliamentary method, by denying the indispensability of breaking up the old bourgeois state machinery and accepting the capitalist state as a means to cross over to socialism, by withholding their assent to the dictatorship of the proletariat and replacing it with "pure and general democracy", by departing from proletarian internationalism and going so far the other way as to plunge into positions of the national-chauvinists, to open union with the imperialist bourgeoisie."

- The Modern Revisionists

This analysis is undeniable proof that Marxism-Leninism does not tolerate gender idealism, especially the revisionists who are trying to reinforce traditional gender norms the opposite way. Gender ought to be abolished as a label and in a society of communism, there is man, woman, and Intersex, the three material aspects of gender itself from nothing more than basic elementary school biology.
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This must be one the silliest posts ever. Enver Hoxha wrote not one word about the question of gender identity.
 
krtek a houby said:
Not television, then?
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Yugoslavia fell, hundreds of thousands died because of the Serbian bourgeoisie.

USSR fell, Ukrainians are being besieged by the Great Russian bourgeoisie.

Communism fell in Europe, and now the SocDems and LibSocs (right opportunists) are trying to reclaim Marxism from us unrightfully.

We're already witnessing a decrease of honest MLs due to the dogma of individualism and liberalism in the 21st century. What may remain of Marxism-Leninism is a minority to this global capitalist world.
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Could you explain a bit more about abolishing the gender label?
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Simple.

1. Without the gender label, there would be men, women, and a minority of Intersex people. We would not label them based on what their ideas tell them but by the material conditions they are confined to the outside of their ideas. Neopronouns and neogenders are thereby hyper-idealist, hyper-individualist, therefore counter-revolutionary.

2. The only distinction of the human sex is not their gender label but their biological sex (two gender is outdated because we now have a new material form called "Intersex" which is rare but it is real)
 
Yugoslav said:
Simple.

1. Without the gender label, there would be men, women, and a minority of Intersex people. We would not label them based on what their ideas tell them but by the material conditions they are confined to the outside of their ideas. Neopronouns and neogenders are thereby hyper-idealist, hyper-individualist, therefore counter-revolutionary.

2. The only distinction of the human sex is not their gender label but their biological sex (two gender is outdated because we now have a new material form called "Intersex" which is rare but it is real)
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Say you don't know anything about gender without saying you don't know anything about gender.
 
existentialist said:
Say you don't know anything about gender without saying you don't know anything about gender.
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"Idealism considersspirit (consciousness, concepts, the subject) as the source of all that existson earth, and matter (nature and society, the object) as secondary andsubordinate, Materialism recognizes the independent existence of matter asdetached from spirit and considers spirit as secondary and subordinate."

- DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM
 
Yugoslav said:
"Idealism considersspirit (consciousness, concepts, the subject) as the source of all that existson earth, and matter (nature and society, the object) as secondary andsubordinate, Materialism recognizes the independent existence of matter asdetached from spirit and considers spirit as secondary and subordinate."

- DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM
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"spirit as secondary and subordinate" :D That's almost utilitarianism...
 
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