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What do folks think of the assertion put forward by one of the participants on The Moral Maze last week that to Hamas this is all a huge PR exercise, and they will continue provoking Israel, who then retaliate with tremendous destruction and violence, killing many innocents. And that with each child or woman or other civilian killed the world's opinion clicks another infinitesimal point toward a time when the balance will tip and you-know-who will stop blindly supporting/funding Israel?*

*not necessarily my views, but I think a topic worthy of discussion
 
What do folks think of the assertion put forward by one of the participants on The Moral Maze last week that to Hamas this is all a huge PR exercise, and they will continue provoking Israel, who then retaliate with tremendous destruction and violence, killing many innocents. And that with each child or woman or other civilian killed the world's opinion clicks another infinitesimal point toward a time when the balance will tip and you-know-who will stop blindly supporting/funding Israel?*

*not necessarily my views, but I think a topic worthy of discussion


Provoke 'Israel'?

What a fucking joke. As if there's no barbaric siege that has been imposed on the Palestinians from Ghazza since Hamas won the democratic elections. That's fucking provocation.
 
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ooh boolocks
Mea culpa -see above
By way of excuse I am suffering from a well bad reaction to mozzie bites, arm and leg all swollen, I mean huge - and have pretty much overdosed on anti-histamines - slightly floating
Still no real excuse
Will read more carefully
promise

No worries, you gave me a laugh! :)
 
ooh boolocks
Mea culpa -see above
By way of excuse I am suffering from a well bad reaction to mozzie bites, arm and leg all swollen, I mean huge - and have pretty much overdosed on anti-histamines - slightly floating
Still no real excuse
Will read more carefully
promise

Try Piriton tablets plus hydro cortisone cream, the latter short term.
 
What do folks think of the assertion put forward by one of the participants on The Moral Maze last week that to Hamas this is all a huge PR exercise, and they will continue provoking Israel, who then retaliate with tremendous destruction and violence, killing many innocents. And that with each child or woman or other civilian killed the world's opinion clicks another infinitesimal point toward a time when the balance will tip and you-know-who will stop blindly supporting/funding Israel?*

*not necessarily my views, but I think a topic worthy of discussion
Ah that flimsy ghost of its former self hosted by Michael Utter Fucking Berk - he of sonorious voice and no content
Oh yes - Rape Victims -"Gagging for It" -fine logic
How much is Bibi paying them?
Including the bigot bitch from the Spectator and Michael "I love the taste of Thatchers piss" Portillo
Not really a basis for anything like a serious discussion
 
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have got the hydro cortisone slathered over me leg
What happens then?
Actually, thats a total derail
sorry all

If you are in a malaria prone region take what's there, otherwise take a chlorphenamine maleate tablet every 4 hours for a day or until swelling decreases.

(I'm not a doctor!)
 
What do folks think of the assertion put forward by one of the participants on The Moral Maze last week that to Hamas this is all a huge PR exercise, and they will continue provoking Israel, who then retaliate with tremendous destruction and violence, killing many innocents. And that with each child or woman or other civilian killed the world's opinion clicks another infinitesimal point toward a time when the balance will tip and you-know-who will stop blindly supporting/funding Israel?*

*not necessarily my views, but I think a topic worthy of discussion
I never listen to The Moral Maze because it's such a pile of shit. It must have got even worse since the last time I was unlucky enough to hear it though.
 
Good compassionate piece by addiction specialist Dr Gabor Mate, if only politicians came from the same wavelength eh.



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Beautiful dream of Israel has become a nightmare
Everyone ought to be sad at what the beautiful old dream of Jewish redemption has come to. Everyone ought to grieve the death of innocents.
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Smoke and fire from the explosion of an Israeli strike rise over Gaza City, Tuesday, July 22.
By: Gabor Maté Published on Tue Jul 22 2014
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As a Jewish youngster growing up in Budapest, an infant survivor of the Nazi genocide, I was for years haunted by a question resounding in my brain with such force that sometimes my head would spin: “How was it possible? How could the world have let such horrors happen?”
It was a naïve question, that of a child. I know better now: such is reality. Whether in Vietnam or Rwanda or Syria, humanity stands by either complicitly or unconsciously or helplessly, as it always does. In Gaza today we find ways of justifying the bombing of hospitals, the annihilation of families at dinner, the killing of pre-adolescents playing soccer on a beach.
In Israel-Palestine the powerful party has succeeded in painting itself as the victim, while the ones being killed and maimed become the perpetrators. “They don’t care about life,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says, abetted by the Obamas and Harpers of this world, “we do.” Netanyahu, you who with surgical precision slaughter innocents, the young and the old, you who have cruelly blockaded Gaza for years, starving it of necessities, you who deprive Palestinians of more and more of their land, their water, their crops, their trees — you care about life?
There is no understanding Gaza out of context — Hamas rockets or unjustifiable terrorist attacks on civilians — and that context is the longest ongoing ethnic cleansing operation in the recent and present centuries, the ongoing attempt to destroy Palestinian nationhood.
The Palestinians use tunnels? So did my heroes, the poorly armed fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto. Unlike Israel, Palestinians lack Apache helicopters, guided drones, jet fighters with bombs, laser-guided artillery. Out of impotent defiance, they fire inept rockets, causing terror for innocent Israelis but rarely physical harm. With such a gross imbalance of power, there is no equivalence of culpability.
Israel wants peace? Perhaps, but as the veteran Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has pointed out, it does not want a just peace. Occupation and creeping annexation, an inhumane blockade, the destruction of olive groves, the arbitrary imprisonment of thousands, torture, daily humiliation of civilians, house demolitions: these are not policies compatible with any desire for a just peace. In Tel Aviv Gideon Levy now moves around with a bodyguard, the price of speaking the truth.
I have visited Gaza and the West Bank. I saw multi-generational Palestinian families weeping in hospitals around the bedsides of their wounded, at the graves of their dead. These are not people who do not care about life. They are like us — Canadians, Jews, like anyone: they celebrate life, family, work, education, food, peace, joy. And they are capable of hatred, they can harbour vengeance in the hearts, just like we can.
One could debate details, historical and current, back and forth. Since my days as a young Zionist and, later, as a member of Jews for a Just Peace, I have often done so. I used to believe that if people knew the facts, they would open to the truth. That, too, was naïve. This issue is far too charged with emotion. As the spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle has pointed out, the accumulated mutual pain in the Middle East is so acute, “a significant part of the population finds itself forced to act it out in an endless cycle of perpetration and retribution.”
“People’s leaders have been misleaders, so they that are led have been confused,” in the words of the prophet Jeremiah. The voices of justice and sanity are not heeded. Netanyahu has his reasons. Harper and Obama have theirs.
And what shall we do, we ordinary people? I pray we can listen to our hearts. My heart tells me that “never again” is not a tribal slogan, that the murder of my grandparents in Auschwitz does not justify the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians, that justice, truth, peace are not tribal prerogatives. That Israel’s “right to defend itself,” unarguable in principle, does not validate mass killing.
A few days ago I met with one of my dearest friends, a comrade from Zionist days and now professor emeritus at an Israeli university. We spoke of everything but the daily savagery depicted on our TV screens. We both feared the rancour that would arise.
But, I want to say to my friend, can we not be sad together at what that beautiful old dream of Jewish redemption has come to? Can we not grieve the death of innocents? I am sad these days. Can we not at least mourn together?
Gabor Maté, M.D., is a Vancouver-based author and speaker.
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says a local Turkish station, not even got a name
Equally claims the statement was "last week" -no date
Whispers still till proven I suspect
 
I saw that on Channel 4. Thank you Channel 4 for not being intimidated like the BBC is by the Israeli propaganda machine. And thank you Jon Snow and the rest of your team for getting the story out to those of us who want to stop the killing.

Proper journalism, no? I've been very impressed. Actually wept a couple of times, but thank all that's good that they let Snow take a stance on this and broadcast it. Powerful stuff.
 
Just received this from my cousin:

I urge you not to publicaly support terrorists and people who hurt animals. Remember, some of your 'family' come from israel and have strong ties to that country - it is very offensive to put up anti-israel propaganda at this time. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...newsphtm-reports-on-Owl-injured-by-Hamas.html

:facepalm:
My aunt had a pen pal in the states in the late 40s
The girl wrote to her saying "the War (second ww) was terrible, sometimes we couldn't even get any gas for the car. Did you suffer too?"
Its all relative
 
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