Gaza under attack yet again.

[quiquaquo]

It's probably eid this Monday. Instead of celebrating, they will be mourning.

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2014724213831750431

Israel kills Palestinian in West Bank clashes

Israeli police shoot dead man and injure at least 55 others in Qalandia during massive protests in occupied West Bank.

Israeli police have shot dead a Palestinian man during a massive protest in the occupied West Bank, just north of Jerusalem, in support of those under siege in Gaza.

You think things will escalate after Eid?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It's probably eid this Monday. Instead of celebrating, they will be mourning.

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2014724213831750431

Israel kills Palestinian in West Bank clashes

Israeli police shoot dead man and injure at least 55 others in Qalandia during massive protests in occupied West Bank.

Israeli police have shot dead a Palestinian man during a massive protest in the occupied West Bank, just north of Jerusalem, in support of those under siege in Gaza.

Seventy thousand are apparently on the streets in the old city.

 

[scalyboy]

... This has been going on for over 40 years [...] they're violently oppressing the people they're occupying and the state I live in backs them so it's indirectly being done in my name and so on

Could say much the same about China and Tibet.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Could say much the same about China and Tibet.

Well yeah take ya pick really but the US and the UK don't entirely fund and arm those states though do they?

 

[quiquaquo]

"Could say much the same about China and Tibet."

No, the Tibetan regime was appalling.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Jeremy Bowen has reported he saw no evidence of Hamas using human shields.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Can someone who speaks Arabic give the gist of this please? Seems to be reporting on situation on the west bank at the moment. Really sorry if it's essentially an Arabic Fox News! as I have no way of knowing!

http://www.almayadeen.net/live

uk benzo

 

[quiquaquo]

Jeremy Bowen has reported he saw no evidence of Hamas using human shields.

Didn't he take a rubber bullet to the head in Cairo from Sisi's lot? That seems to have woken him up at last.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Didn't he take a rubber bullet to the head in Cairo from Sisi's lot? That seems to have woken him up at last.

Did he? Knocked some sense into him! It's quite significant that coming from a BBC reporter given all the stick they get for being bias towards Israel. Then again he'll get stick for being bias towards Palestine.

 

[scalyboy]

"Could say much the same about China and Tibet."

No, the Tibetan regime was appalling.

In what way? Feudalist? Does that justify 64 years of occupation?

 

[quiquaquo]

Did he? Knocked some sense into him! It's quite significant that coming from a BBC reporter given all the stick they get for being bias towards Israel. Then again he'll get stick for being bias towards Palestine.

Think he's quite religious from a Christian perspective, not a bad man. Sorry, don't speak Arabic.

 

[quiquaquo]

In what way? Feudalist? Does that justify 64 years of occupation?

Let's deal with Palestine right now, the PRC is certainly no worse than old Tibet.

 

[uk benzo]

You think things will escalate after Eid?

I think this time things are different. The level of apartheid and racism has reached a tipping point. Living in the UK kind of disqualifies me from making strong judgements about how the Palestinians back home are feeling, but everyone I have spoken to from family and friends have indicated that the zionist government have pushed Palestinians too far.

I think things will get progressively worse before they get better

 

[Kaka Tim]

That stupid map also fails to point out that most of the land featured is virtually uninhabitable desert.

 

[quiquaquo]

I think this time things are different. The level of apartheid and racism has reached a tipping point. Living in the UK kind of disqualifies me from making strong judgements about how the Palestinians back home are feeling, but everyone I have spoken to from family and friends have indicated that the zionist government have pushed Palestinians too far.

I think things will get progressively worse before they get better

Agreed. Gaza may well turn out to be Israel's Stalingrad rather that the ghetto they hoped it to be.

 

[uk benzo]

Can someone who speaks Arabic give the gist of this please? Seems to be reporting on situation on the west bank at the moment. Really sorry if it's essentially an Arabic Fox News! as I have no way of knowing!

http://www.almayadeen.net/live

uk benzo

Reporter broadcasting from bethlehem saying that demonstrators were shot at with live rounds and rubber bullets.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Reporter broadcasting from bethlehem saying that demonstrators were shot at with live rounds and rubber bullets.

Jesus!? Live rounds? FFS!

 

[quiquaquo]

Reporter broadcasting from bethlehem saying that demonstrators were shot at with live rounds and rubber bullets.

Plus ça change unfortunately.

 

[uk benzo]

And Abbas and his kapo Ilk will probably try to quell the demonstrators with force - as they've done in the past.

 

[weltweit]

 

[quiquaquo]

On their knees without clothes, Palestinian prisoners of israel (photos): http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/201...atturati_dai_soldati_israeliani-92304635/1/#1

 

[uk benzo]

On their knees without clothes, Palestinian prisoners of israel (photos): http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/201...atturati_dai_soldati_israeliani-92304635/1/#1

Winning the hearts and minds of those natives.....

 

[weltweit]

Netanyahu’s Operation Stupidity
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/18/netanyahus-operation-stupidity/#.U8qoRVIQpBg.facebook

For example:
Winston Churchill was a scoundrel.

For five years he kept the population of London under the unceasing fire of the German Luftwaffe. He used the inhabitants of London as a human shield in his crazy war. While the civilian population was exposed to the bombs and rockets, without the protection of an “iron dome”, he was hiding in his bunker under 10 Downing Street.

He exploited all the inhabitants of London as hostages. When the German leaders made a generous peace proposal, he rejected it for crazy ideological reasons. Thus he condemned his people to unimaginable suffering.
....

 

[DrRingDing]

Jesus!? Live rounds? FFS!

They use live rounds on civilians most days in the West Bank. I've nearly been shot several times myself there even though they're meant to change to plastic coated metal bullets when there's Israelis or foreigners there.

 

[redsquirrel]

another one I'd considered on BDS- we know from evidence like the iraq sanctions that for a ruthless state such sanctions result in dead children and the impoverishment of those who are as much at the mercy of their own government as anyone. Isn't a boycott then simply a form of grassroots non-state sanctioning? Not to mention the ongoing disempowerment implications that our consumer choices are the only meaningful way to express dissent and anger

Sorry I don't agree with that at all (and apols if this has been raised already, only just catching up with this thread). The significant point is that a boycott is, or should, arises from the bottom up initiatives of communities which is what makes it totally different to sanctions imposed by other states.

Now that doesn't mean that there aren't questions to ask about both the tactics and strategy of boycotts in general as well as BDS in particular, but I think it's deeply wrong to equate the grassroot organisation of groups with sanctions imposed by nation states.

 

[DotCommunist]

in result not intent

 

[redsquirrel]

come on, it was a good effort and led to the invasion of italy.

e2a: apart from 'five graves to cairo' and 'ice cold in alex' - and of course 'i was monty's double' - i can't think of any films about the north africa campaign.

Fighting Rats of Tobruk

 

[teqniq]

It seems to have kicked off big style in the West Bank tonight

m_madi: Qalandia, West Bank, tonight. At least two dead as thousands march in protest at #Gaza war
http://t.co/WUuUrRJenx

 

[redsquirrel]

in result not intent

Well I still disagree, one of the results of boycotts should be workers coming together in solidarity, something that is neither the intent or result of sanctions imposed by states.

Now I accept that boycott's can end up hurting those at the bottom rather than the wankers at the top but IMO that's a question of tactics/strategy.

 

[Kaka Tim]

What the fuck sort of "security" is the state of Israel going to buy with this massacre? So they keep going until they have taken out hamas' capability to fire their whizz bangs - whilst swelling the ranks of the Palestinians who thirst for revenge and are prepared to die seeking it. Not to mention the disgust of most of the worlds population. Some security.