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Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster

The new verb "to fukushima"

I have suggested a new word definition for the Urban dictionary.

fukushima

to fukushima - to further break or to utterly destroy something while ineptly trying to fix it

fukushima'd / fukushimaed / fukushimad - further broken or utterly destroyed as a result of inept attempts to fix it

As in, "my mobile phone's screen was dirty so I put it in the washing machine but I am afraid I totally fukushimaed it."

tags: botch, bungle, bodge, mess up, screw up, fuck up, fubar, wreck​
 
Fuck off - idiot.

I reckon we could do something with "dow" ...

Why don't you get back to your stash of photos of Condoleeza.
 
I have suggested a new word definition for the Urban dictionary.

fukushima

to fukushima - to further break or to utterly destroy something while ineptly trying to fix it

fukushima'd / fukushimaed / fukushimad - further broken or utterly destroyed as a result of inept attempts to fix it

As in, "my mobile phone's screen was dirty so I put it in the washing machine but I am afraid I totally fukushimaed it."

tags: botch, bungle, bodge, mess up, screw up, fuck up, fubar, wreck​

There's a shorter word - Fucked
 
I wonder what the chances are that this catastrophe will spur investment in (and accelerated development of) Fusion Power?
 
Well it doesnt really change the levels of hope that exist as to whether fusion will become viable at some point. I dont think the hydrogen explosions help the whole 'hydrogen economy' idea either, an idea which was touted during the original start of this energy crisis of the 1970's, but couldnt be delivered in the 80's and seems almost no nearer to being deliverable this time around.

By the way, there is a thread in the science forum which is dealing with the what this all means for the future energy picture.
 
I have suggested a new word definition for the Urban dictionary.

fukushima

to fukushima - to further break or to utterly destroy something while ineptly trying to fix it

fukushima'd / fukushimaed / fukushimad - further broken or utterly destroyed as a result of inept attempts to fix it

As in, "my mobile phone's screen was dirty so I put it in the washing machine but I am afraid I totally fukushimaed it."

tags: botch, bungle, bodge, mess up, screw up, fuck up, fubar, wreck​

:D
 
Slightly off topic. but:

I wonder about the construction of these water pools in which the fuel rods sit cooling. I have not been able to get a detailed drawing of how they are constructed but it seems to me any pipework for circulating water into and out of the containers has to be a weak point, unless the containers are seamless in their lower halfs, with only pipes entering from the upper half. But where has the water gone? either boiled off from the heated fuel rods, or drained off through a split or other damage to the container or pipes. If there are significant leaks in the containers they can pump as much seawater in as they like but it will just leak out again. And presumably then it will also be radioactive seawater.
 
Yeah they are concerned about that. As I understand it pipework weaknesses are somewhat accounted for in the design, but that doesnt mean there were not other weaknesses, and besides as there were explosions I think there are lots of possibilities.

They may know a bit more than is public about the state of the fuel pool at unit 4 by now. They feared the worst days ago, and there was the public disagreement between USA and Japan as to whether there was any water in the pool at all. Its been many days since I wondered whether it was still a pool at all, either in terms of content or structure.
 
I imagine the Americans are watching this play out with great interest and not a little nervousness. They have two nuclear sites in the West, directly on the San Andreas fault.
 
More grim news from people who should know...I wonder where all those saying it was not a problem have gone?

Japan running out of options to deal with nuke crisis: U.S. experts

By Ben Dooley
WASHINGTON, March 18, Kyodo

Japanese government efforts to deal with the unfolding nuclear crisis in Fukushima Prefecture are ''desperate,'' a group of U.S. nuclear experts said Friday during a panel discussion held at the National Press Club in Washington.

The steps being taken by Japan ''are not steps that are anywhere near the top of the options'' normally available, said Robert Alvarez, a senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and an adviser to the U.S. secretary of energy in the 1990s.

Beginning Thursday, Japan has used trucks and helicopters to dump water on the damaged reactors in Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station in an attempt to cool their overheating nuclear materials.

The efforts, Alvarez said, were ''improvisations on the playbook'' for stopping a nuclear meltdown.

Alvarez's claim that there are no good options left for addressing the crisis is evidenced by the risky approach Tokyo has taken to cooling the reactors.

When combined with the high heat at the reactor site, the seawater currently being poured on the facilities could destroy their cooling pumps or even corrode the containment vessels holding the plant's nuclear fuel, increasing the difficulty of containing the radioactive material.

''This is what you call the last-ditch stuff,'' Alvarez said, noting that the severity of the crisis had taken the standard, safer options for responding ''off the table.''

In the short term, Alvarez expects that even these extreme measures will be unable to stop the crisis.

''It doesn't appear at this time that they are working. The accident is likely to unfold over a period of weeks,'' he said.

In the meantime, the Japanese government has raised the incident's severity rating from 4 to 5 on an international scale of seven. The move puts the crisis on a par with the Three Mile Island incident in 1979, when the combination of an engineering failure and human error led to the partial meltdown of a nuclear reactor in the northeastern United States.

Asked about the decision to change the rating, Peter Bradford, a former member of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, said he expected the threat level would be raised again.

''It's very hard for me to believe that at the end of the day, this accident will be seen as being the same level as Three Mile Island, which was also a level 5,'' Bradford said.

Jeffrey Patterson, a radiation exposure specialist, had an even bleaker assessment.

Unlike natural disasters, such as earthquakes, with nuclear accidents, ''the end never comes,'' Patterson said.

''This just goes on forever, because the effects of radiation go on forever,'' he said.
 
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I have suggested a new word definition for the Urban dictionary.

fukushima

to fukushima - to further break or to utterly destroy something while ineptly trying to fix it

fukushima'd / fukushimaed / fukushimad - further broken or utterly destroyed as a result of inept attempts to fix it

As in, "my mobile phone's screen was dirty so I put it in the washing machine but I am afraid I totally fukushimaed it."

tags: botch, bungle, bodge, mess up, screw up, fuck up, fubar, wreck​

Peter Dow is usually mad as fruit but this is a moment of true wit and inspiration. Nb. also in dubious taste.
 
Looks interesting but still have no clue - Tokyo's gamma levels appeared to be very high - is this right or just the graph measurements making it look so?

High compared to what? Its certainly not high compared to the other locations they have graphed that are quite far away from the reactor. The scales are not the same for all of those at all, so maybe thats what you mean.

As to whether its high by any other measure, its not in the same league as the readings we've seen from the plant or locations not so many km away from the plant. That anything at all shows up in Tokyo on such graphs is worrying enough, even if its not at levels that ar very harmful, its still a sign that bad stuff has reached there at times. How much bad stuff that lingers reached there, and whether it happens again are questions we cannot hope to answer right now I guess.
 
Not wanting to add a down note to to an otherwise grim scenario, but FFS ( sorry for link to Sun )

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...i-Tokyo-City-of-Ghosts.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News

"She said: "The first to flee Tokyo have been British Embassy staff. I repeatedly rang the Tokyo number for our embassy - but there's just a recorded message saying, 'We are not taking calls'.

"So I phoned the embassy in Osaka and got the same message.

"I then rang the Foreign Office and got patched through to a crisis line man, who just told me to try and get on a plane.

"I kept telling him we can't even get to the airport but he didn't seem concerned.

"I was shaking. I feel like they're just leaving us here to fry.

"I don't want my children to get cancer. The Japanese news tells us radiation in Tokyo isn't at harmful levels. But why would they tell us to wear masks otherwise?

"I begged the Foreign Office man, 'Please help me'. But he told me if I raised my voice one more time he was terminating the call.

"In desperation, I rang the US embassy and immediately a human voice asked, 'How can I help?' They can't do much as I'm British. But the contrast was staggering.

"If I get out of Tokyo I want to go to America, Australia, anywhere. I have no faith in Britain any more. I don't want to see my country ever again."
 
Not wanting to add a down note to to an otherwise grim scenario, but FFS ( sorry for link to Sun )

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...i-Tokyo-City-of-Ghosts.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News

"She said: "The first to flee Tokyo have been British Embassy staff. I repeatedly rang the Tokyo number for our embassy - but there's just a recorded message saying, 'We are not taking calls'.

"So I phoned the embassy in Osaka and got the same message.

"I then rang the Foreign Office and got patched through to a crisis line man, who just told me to try and get on a plane.

"I kept telling him we can't even get to the airport but he didn't seem concerned.

"I was shaking. I feel like they're just leaving us here to fry.

"I don't want my children to get cancer. The Japanese news tells us radiation in Tokyo isn't at harmful levels. But why would they tell us to wear masks otherwise?

"I begged the Foreign Office man, 'Please help me'. But he told me if I raised my voice one more time he was terminating the call.

"In desperation, I rang the US embassy and immediately a human voice asked, 'How can I help?' They can't do much as I'm British. But the contrast was staggering.

"If I get out of Tokyo I want to go to America, Australia, anywhere. I have no faith in Britain any more. I don't want to see my country ever again."


I reckon there must be two places called Tokyo in Japan, one where everything is continuing as per and another where there's no food, no electricity, total panic etc. Depends which Tokyo that particular newspaper is writing about

This girl's probably pissed off because a flight home's going to cost her £600

Not-bono - did you read the comments section?
 
High compared to what? Its certainly not high compared to the other locations they have graphed that are quite far away from the reactor. The scales are not the same for all of those at all, so maybe thats what you mean.

As to whether its high by any other measure, its not in the same league as the readings we've seen from the plant or locations not so many km away from the plant. That anything at all shows up in Tokyo on such graphs is worrying enough, even if its not at levels that ar very harmful, its still a sign that bad stuff has reached there at times. How much bad stuff that lingers reached there, and whether it happens again are questions we cannot hope to answer right now I guess.

thanks :)
 
I reckon there must be two places called Tokyo in Japan, one where everything is continuing as per and another where there's no food, no electricity, total panic etc. Depends which Tokyo that particular newspaper is writing about

This girl's probably pissed off because a flight home's going to cost her £600

Not-bono - did you read the comments section?

I just have !
 
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I just have !

and you will see one of them state:

I live in north Tokyo. It's difficult to find milk and bread in the shops, but most other things are available. Apart from the depressing non-stop disaster coverage on the TV, things are pretty normal. We've been warned there may be occasional power cuts, but haven't had any yet.

We're about 130 miles from the nuclear problem, which seems to be a safe distance.

which is exactly what Atomic Suplex said earlier today after being in contact with friends and relatives over there. Found Atomic's post for you from earlier today

I'm in the UK but am supposed to fly out soon. Tokyo. If it was just me it would be a no brainer but I'm taking my daughter.
Everyone I know in japan are not in the slightest bit worried though I have heard some shops are out of milk and bread. Da da daaaaaa. Not really japanese staples anyway.
 
what's the situation with the reactors at the moment?

Nothing has really changed for days, at least in terms of what we get to hear about anyway. The mission to connect them to the mains drags on, its probably going to take longer to go through more work and testing etc before they can try to make good use of this power than media reports have tended to suggest in recent days.
 
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