Over 44 people killed in crowd disaster in Israel

[A380]

Sectarianism and religious fundamentalist indoctrination. Obvious really.

Really?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Really?

Yes

 

[killer b]

Just a hunch, but I get the feeling that people wouldn't care so much if this happened to Taliban or Islamic State people.

I think you will find it is YOU who are the racists.

 

[platinumsage]

I think they're all as bad as one another. Those ultra orthodox jews murder Palestinian children and celebrate it and walk free. The islamic fundies are just as bad though.

If they're all the same, why would the Jews get off lightly on here? It must have come as a surprise to you, otherwise you would have withheld your comment until the next Afghan earthquake or whatever, wouldn't you?

 

[BillRiver]

Phones of the Meron dead still ringing with calls from ‘Mom’ and ‘My dear wife’

 

[Yossarian]

Death toll now at 45, making it Israel's worst peacetime disaster - Arab villages in the area are helping evacuees.

Arab towns offer food, drink to Meron survivors; hundreds give blood in Tel Aviv

Residents of nearby villages set up help stations for thousands making their way home; large lines at mobile units in Tel Aviv as residents wait for hours to donate

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[two sheds]

Liked for the Arab villages helping, not toll

 

[BillRiver]

I think they're all as bad as one another. Those ultra orthodox jews murder Palestinian children and celebrate it and walk free. The islamic fundies are just as bad though.

Actually many/most truly ultra orthodox Jewish people are anti-zionist.

"A bonfire lighting ceremony for the Toldot Aharon Hassidic sect [anti-zionists] was being held at the pilgrimage area, close to Bar Yohai’s tomb. As the dense crowds began to exit, some apparently slipped on a walkway and down a flight of stairs, falling on those below and precipitating a stampede and fatal crushing."

From Times of Israel article I posted just now.

 

[bimble]

I think they're all as bad as one another. Those ultra orthodox jews murder Palestinian children and celebrate it and walk free. The islamic fundies are just as bad though.

ya know these with the hats are not people who join the army right? So you might want to broaden out your category of Baddies .

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Actually many/most truly ultra orthodox Jewish people are anti-zionist.

The anti-zionist ones are still bigots though. I have seen them involved in homophobic protests.

I have equal contempt for all religious fundamentalists. But I do understand that their children can be trapped and can hopefully, potentially break free and change as they grow, it's what happened to me. I can see how my comment came across as insensitive, I am sorry.

 

[two sheds]

If I were you I'd make my apologies and leave. Really not the thread for it

 

[A380]

The anti-zionist ones are still bigots though. I have seen them involved in homophobic protests.

What every single person ？There are no non-homophobic ultra orthodox Jewish people or even gay people from that community. They are one homogeneous mass? Because you have seen ‘Them’ at homophobic protests? Can you really not see what this sounds like?

 

[bimble]

came across as insentive

fuck off. thank you.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

What every single one? There are no non-homophobic ultra orthodox Jewish people or even gay people from that community. They are one homogeneous mass? Can you really not see what this sounds like?

I never claimed to be some kind of expert on religion or jewish religion. All I know is that I have seen the anti-zionist lot conduct homophobic protests.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

ya know these with the hats are not people who join the army right? So you might want to broaden out your category of Baddies .

The settlers who kill children are not in the army either.

 

[A380]

I never claimed to be some kind of expert on religion or jewish religion. All I know is that I have seen the anti-zionist lot conduct homophobic protests.

I’ve seen white people and black people at homophobic protests.

 

[bimble]

just too stupid to even get angry with tbh

 

[Aladdin]

The anti-zionist ones are still bigots though. I have seen them involved in homophobic protests.

I have equal contempt for all religious fundamentalists. But I do understand that their children can be trapped and can hopefully, potentially break free and change as they grow, it's what happened to me. I can see how my comment came across as insensitive, I am sorry.

So you basically are describing yourself as a "fundamentalist atheist"...
No different to the people you detest then...

 

[AmateurAgitator]

So you basically are describing yourself as a "fundamentalist atheist"...

I've never described myself or identified as that, no. I think people are entitled to believe what they want, but fundamentalists harm others. I'm not a fundamentalist.

Calm down mate.

 

[A380]

I've never described or identified myself as that, no. I think people are entitled to believe what they want, but fundamentalists harm others. I'm not a fundamentalist.

Calm down mate.

This isn’t the thread for this. You can start one about why you are justified in hating a group of people so much you think children born into that group have less worth than others as you don’t believe they have the same agency as you. But not on what is effectively a news thread about people’s accidental deaths.

 

[Aladdin]

I never claimed to be some kind of expert on religion or jewish religion. All I know is that I have seen the anti-zionist lot conduct homophobic protests.

Of course you did.
You know so much about them that you're joyous in their demise.

Fuck off you idiot.

 

[Teaboy]

30 years after Hillsborough and all the many similar incidents that have happened since (the haj incident, Berlin Love Parade etc etc) it is deeply troubling that this sort of thing is still happening. So much is known about the behaviour of crowds and how to manage crowds safely these days, what on earth went wrong here?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Not acceptable

 

[editor]

I never claimed to be some kind of expert on religion or jewish religion. All I know is that I have seen the anti-zionist lot conduct homophobic protests.

But you're excelling at being an insensitive, ignorant bigot in this thread. You're now banned off the thread before you do any more damage.

 

[Spymaster]

Why would anyone commit suicide merely because of a comment, not aimed at them, on an internet forum? That strikes me as stupid and completely and absurdly OTT.

What the fuck are you on about now, Nazi boy?

 

[Saul Goodman]

What the fuck are you on about now, Nazi boy?

He's been given a thread ban.

 

[Wilf]

But you're excelling at being an insensitive, ignorant bigot in this thread. You're now banned off the thread before you do any more damage.

This is a perfect example of what thread bans are useful for.

 

[A380]

30 years after Hillsborough and all the many similar incidents that have happened since (the haj incident, Berlin Love Parade etc etc) it is deeply troubling that this sort of thing is still happening. So much is known about the behaviour of crowds and how to manage crowds safely these days, what on earth went wrong here?

It will be the normal ‘ Swiss cheese model’ a number of things will have gone wrong, people will have fucked up in planning and implementation and, tragically all the holes line up and this happens.

 

[Jay Park]

Funny how the people who liked Count Cuckula’s first post on this thread have now swiftly unliked it after realising that particular brand of secularism isn’t as welcome here as they first thought.

who liked it ?

 

[Jay Park]

Just a hunch, but I get the feeling that people wouldn't care so much if this happened to Taliban or Islamic State people.

what a wonderfully simplified take on an extraordinarily complex part of history.