Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[J Ed]

The fluidity is decreasing between the bottom and the very top, but less so between the working class and the lower middle class / small business owners / self employed. 50% or so of kids are going to university now, so a lot more will end up not being viewed as trad working class, but will still ultimately be fucking skint and tied into selling their labour to survive for their entire lives one way or another.

I agree with this. If you're from a working-class background, but you go to uni and then after that all you can get is work in a call centre, a warehouse or a supermarket then are you really in any different of a position thanks to your education? You might feel slightly different but your class position has to be the same.

 

[Citizen66]

I was making a hypothetical point. But to make things clear: if I was in that cafe with my wife and niece or nephew and some twat attacked us in the way that the cafe was attacked last night, I would defend them vigorously and kick six colours of shit out of the person who attacked us.

I understand it's a posturing twattish thing to say facelessly on the Internet, but it's plain fact. Anybody who claims they wouldn't act the same way is lying. Or a coward.

So if you were in a cafe with your wife and neice, and someone threw in a smoke grenade, you'd go outside and start kicking shit out of a 200+ strong mob?

 

[Mr Retro]

I hope the cafe get more business on the back of this.........

If "they" wanted to make a point .....then why didn't they go to fukkin tescos

Because Tesco wouldn't stand for it and their would have been serious repercussions. So they weren't quite prepared to stand up for their principles to that extent ....

 

[cantsin]

I was making a hypothetical point. But to make things clear: if I was in that cafe with my wife and niece or nephew and some twat attacked us in the way that the cafe was attacked last night, I would defend them vigorously and kick six colours of shit out of the person who attacked us.

I understand it's a posturing twattish thing to say facelessly on the Internet, but it's plain fact. Anybody who claims they wouldn't act the same way is lying. Or a coward.

Jeez, taking interweb hard man bizness on to new and abstract terrain - impressive stuff , I'm convinced , fo shure.

 

[free spirit]

I agree with this. If you're from a working-class background, but you go to uni and then after that all you can get is work in a call centre, a warehouse or a supermarket then are you really in any different of a position thanks to your education? You might feel slightly different but your class position has to be the same.

not just if you're working in a warehouse etc. nurses, doctors, whatever.

unless they're working specifically in a position of managing the upper class attacks on the rest of us, then it's counter productive bollocks to treat them as being the enemy. It's just playing into the hands of the upper class's divide and conquer tactics.

 

[Mr Retro]

So if you were in a cafe with your wife and neice, and someone threw in a smoke grenade, you'd go outside and start kicking shit out of a 200+ strong mob?

No, just the guy who threw the smoke bomb.

 

[DotCommunist]

50% or so of kids are going to university now

less and less from w/c backgrounds and lower income families what with the fee hikes and ucas points upramped. Shit state of affairs all round but a lifetime of toil in semi skilled labour has been the reality for most of us for a long long long time. The days where a uni degree bought you access to a certain rung on the job or academic market vanished long before I was out of short trousers

 

[Mr Retro]

Jeez, taking interweb hard man bizness on to new and abstract terrain - impressive stuff , I'm convinced , fo shure.

What would you do? Sit there and let it happen? Genuine question.

 

[Citizen66]

No, just the guy who threw the smoke bomb.

And everyone would stand back and not object to this. You need to work on your hypotheticals I think before enacting any of this.

 

[DotCommunist]

I agree with this. If you're from a working-class background, but you go to uni and then after that all you can get is work in a call centre, a warehouse or a supermarket then are you really in any different of a position thanks to your education? You might feel slightly different but your class position has to be the same.

if its between you and the bloke with a degree for supervisors position it might swing it.

 

[Citizen66]

What would you do? Sit there and let it happen? Genuine question.

I'd go "oh haha a smoke grenade, oh even better - they're daubing graffiti on this shit place"

 

[Mr Retro]

And everyone would stand back and not object to this. You need to work on your hypotheticals I think before enacting any of this.

Same question to you, genuinely what would you do?

And you know what I bet nobody would jump on for their smoke bomb growing buddy, because these people are cowards at the end of the day.

 

[cantsin]

What would you do? Sit there and let it happen? Genuine question.

Not being funny, but I manage to avoid making ridiculous claims about what I'd do in imaginary situations trying to protect hypothetical members of my family - that's what I'd do / do do / da da da

 

[Mr Retro]

I'd go "oh haha a smoke grenade, oh even better - they're daubing graffiti on this shit place"

Ok but that's if you feel there is no threat. I'd do the same in that case. But the reports are that the kids in there were terrified. Who in their right mind would sit back and do nothing?

 

[Mr Retro]

Not being funny, but I manage to avoid making ridiculous claims about what I'd do in imaginary situations trying to protect hypothetical members of my family - that's what I'd do / do do .

That's one way of avoiding an answer.

 

[Citizen66]

Same question to you, genuinely what would you do?

And you know what I bet nobody would jump on for their smoke bomb growing buddy, because these people are cowards at the end of the day.

Did you find it clever that I answered the question before you asked it?

 

[Citizen66]

Ok but that's if you feel there is no threat. I'd do the same in that case. But the reports are that the kids in there were terrified. Who in their right mind would sit back and do nothing?

Okay, if I was in a situation where my family were frightened by a theatrical demonstration, the last thing I'd do would be to turn it into something physically violent.

 

[J Ed]

Same question to you, genuinely what would you do?

And you know what I bet nobody would jump on for their smoke bomb growing buddy, because these people are cowards at the end of the day.

I would swagger outside of the café and demand to speak with the ringleader of the sorry band of brigands. Then I would say to him, "you think that you're so brave and that you can mess with swashbuckling small business owners from Ireland who have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps with sugar-laden American cereal?! Well if you are so great then you can fight me one on one, I am fighting in the name of my as yet nonexistent and purely hypothetical children"

The brigade of renegades would then form a circle around us, jeering me and cheering on their ringleader but slowly the fight would start to go my way and I would win the respect of the reprobates. They would suddenly look at each other as if they had awoken from a deep slumber, their slogans changing from "class war" and "we have new homes for the rich" to "individual liberty for all", "respect private property rights now!" then we would all work together to put right the wrongs that had been wrought but not before forming an orderly queue for an £18 bowl of cereal each.

 

[Mr Retro]

Okay, if I was in a situation where my family were frightened by a theatrical demonstration, the last thing I'd do would be to turn it into something physically violent.

It wasn't theatrical though, it was very real. But now we're getting into semantics and we've both made our points.

 

[Citizen66]

Yep because society will really work without trading of any kind.

Society can function without trading. If trading is needed, we don't need a special class of people doing it.

 

[sim667]

I would swagger outside of the café and demand to speak with the ringleader of the sorry band of brigands. Then I would say to him, "you think that you're so brave and that you can mess with swashbuckling small business owners from Ireland who have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps with sugar-laden American cereal?! Well if you are so great then you can fight me one on one, I am fighting in the name of my as yet nonexistent and purely hypothetical children"

The brigade of renegades would then form a circle around us, jeering me and cheering on their ringleader but slowly the fight would start to go my way and I would win the respect of the reprobates. They would suddenly look at each other as if they had awoken from a deep slumber, their slogans changing from "class war" and "we have new homes for the rich" to "individual liberty for all", "respect private property rights now!" then we would all work together to put right the wrongs that had been wrought but not before forming an orderly queue for an £18 bowl of cereal each.

I was hoping this was going to turn into an erotic thriller by the end of the second paragraph. Am disappoint.

 

[Citizen66]

It wasn't theatrical though, it was very real. But now we're getting into semantics and we've both made our points.

Smoke grenades are theatrical. You know some dissent involves non theatrical grenades? Be happy.

 

[DotCommunist]

Society can function without trading. If trading is needed, we don't need a special class of people doing it.

market exchange/barter/currency as a social technology. All these things predate capitalism by orders of centuries. As you know. The coolest trick capital ever pulled was telling people that exchange of goods and services was unthinkable without the element of exploitation through wage labour. Thats some trick.

 

[cantsin]

Same question to you, genuinely what would you do?

And you know what I bet nobody would jump on for their smoke bomb growing buddy, because these people are cowards at the end of the day.

That lot ( CW etc ) have done a bit over the years - but yre prob right, they'd shit it from the imaginary interweb top bod

 

[Mr Retro]

That lot ( CW etc ) have done a bit over the years - but yre prob right, they'd shit it from the imaginary interweb top bod

Still haven't said what you'd do

 

[pocketscience]

Do I recall a previous thread where boss class Batboy was upset because boss class Jewish syndicates had infiltrated his patch which is bad because Batboy is a fairer form of boss class because of his working class background?!

Yeah the small business owner vs property developer one.
It went from "small businesses can fuck-off" to defending large multi-national business and the moral justification of private property ownership.
Confussed the fuck out of me, hearing people that appear to identify themselves as anarchists/ communists defending the likes of Apple Inc as well as property developers and private home ownership.

 

[Citizen66]

Yeah the small business owner vs property developer one.
It went from "small businesses can fuck-off" to defending large multi-national business and the moral justification of private property ownership.
Confussed the fuck out of me, hearing people that appear to identify themselves as anarchists/ communists defending the likes of Apple Inc as well as property developers and private home ownership.

Who did that? People who identify as those things on here are a smaller group than you probably think btw.

 

[cantsin]

Still haven't said what you'd do

I'd go toe to toe with the whole ( reported) 200 of them, but I'm a bit tasty, like you - wldnt recommend that for yr avge punter

 

[pocketscience]

Who did that? People who identify as those things on here are a smaller group than you probably think btw.

who did what?

 

[free spirit]

Society can function without trading.

bollocks.