Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[Mr Retro]

because you've said you'd abandon your family in a smoke-filled shop, if someone tossed in a smoke grenade, to attack the person who did it.

No I didn't

 

[stethoscope]

News to me but thanks for your input!

Then no need to be quite so coy is there

 

[ViolentPanda]

and when the sons and daughters of the true working class get the opportunity to actually go to university, and end up in jobs that aren't traditional working class roles, they then become legit targets?

Are they still workers? If they earn their crust through selling their labour, they're workers.
If they own or part-own the business that employs them, then they're bourgeois.
If they own the means of production, then they're ruling class.

That isn't about targets, or about degree of education, or about any other obscuring factor you care to throw up, it's about some fairly simple definitions, and about which applies to you. What it isn't about is which one you apply to yourself, or believe applies to you.

 

[free spirit]

Please stop using your gibberings about premiership football as a means of avoiding admitting being a daft fuck with regard to impugning London's Turks.

seemed like he was more impuning class war for picking on easy targets while praising the turkish community for being the sort of community that would stand together and defend their community and businesses.

When the rioters came to attack the premises of Kurdish and Turkish businesses in Hackney's Stoke Newington High Street and Kingsland Road on Monday night, the owners were waiting for them.

"It was between about nine and 10 at night," said Yilmaz Karagoz, sitting in his coffee shop next to a jeweller's shop that has been shuttered since Sunday when the rioting began and a pharmacy that closed a day after.

"There were a lot of them. We came out of our shops but the police asked us to do nothing. But the police did not do anything so, as more came, we chased them off ourselves." The staff from a local kebab restaurant ran at the attackers, doner knives in their hands. "I don't think they will be coming back," Karagoz said.

London riots: 'People are fighting back. It's their neighbourhoods at stake'

 

[Pickman's model]

No I didn't

yeh, you spelt it out clear enough - 'they'd have more pressing things on their mind'

 

[ViolentPanda]

in many ways it reminds me of kristelnacht

Careful! You'll summon that muppet Hertford!!!

 

[Dowie]

Are they still workers? If they earn their crust through selling their labour, they're workers.
If they own or part-own the business that employs them, then they're bourgeois.
If they own the means of production, then they're ruling class.

so the checkout person at Waitrose is bourgeois but some trader at Deutsche Bank is a 'worker'

that seems like a really sensible way of categorising people today...

 

[ViolentPanda]

seemed like he was more impuning class war for picking on easy targets while praising the turkish community for being the sort of community that would stand together and defend their community and businesses.


London riots: 'People are fighting back. It's their neighbourhoods at stake'

Perhaps you should read his post again, where baldly states that people won't attack the Turkish community because they'd get their throats slit, ergo London's Turkish community must, by that logic, be comprised of throat slitters.

 

[fredfelt]

Can't say I'd feel much hope for my High Street if places like that took over the existing shops.

If places like that took over the existing shops on every high street there would be no hope! But variety is what makes the highstreet interesting. Endless identikit chains springing up everywhere offers no hope.

 

[free spirit]

Are they still workers? If they earn their crust through selling their labour, they're workers.
If they own or part-own the business that employs them, then they're bourgeois.
If they own the means of production, then they're ruling class.

That isn't about targets, or about degree of education, or about any other obscuring factor you care to throw up, it's about some fairly simple definitions, and about which applies to you. What it isn't about is which one you apply to yourself, or believe applies to you.

so were these 2 a legitimate target for an organisation called class war?

For me they're not, for others they apparently are due to having beards, and daring to open a cafe.

 

[ViolentPanda]

so the checkout person at Waitrose is bourgeois but some trader at Deutsche Bank is a 'worker'

that seems like a really sensible way of categorising people today...

The person working at Waitrose isn't a partner in any meaningful sense of the word, they're a member of a co-operative that pays them a small premium. That's all.
A trader, by the way isn't a worker either, as their employment T & Cs are more akin to those of retained self-employed professions like lawyering and accountancy.

Well done on your attempts, but 0/2 is a crap score.

 

[JimW]

If I was attacked in a cereal cafe I might snap, or maybe crackle and pop.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

so were these 2 a legitimate target for an organisation called class war?

For me they're not, for others they apparently are due to having beards, and daring to open a cafe.

Charging £3.50 for a bowl of cereal, they should have been hung from lamp posts.

Ps. And if you haven't read the thread they called this 'attack' a 'hate crime'!

 

[ViolentPanda]

so were these 2 a legitimate target for an organisation called class war?

For me they're not, for others they apparently are due to having beards, and daring to open a cafe.

Were they a legitimate target insofar as representing the bourgeoisie? Yes.
Were they a worthwhile target? Not in my opinion. I'd have preferred to see the smoke grenade shoved up a copper's tunic.

 

[Dowie]

The person working at Waitrose isn't a partner in any meaningful sense of the word, they're a member of a co-operative that pays them a small premium. That's all.
A trader, by the way isn't a worker either, as their employment T & Cs are more akin to those of retained self-employed professions like lawyering and accountancy.

Well done on your attempts, but 0/2 is a crap score.

nah they both fit your original definitions - you're just trying crap excuses to keep it relevant to today's society

we can try receptionist in a company that operates a share scheme vs highly paid corporate lawyer who earns a salary... if you like

 

[ViolentPanda]

yeh, you spelt it out clear enough - 'they'd have more pressing things on their mind'

He meant they'd be busy blocking their ears to his whining.

 

[free spirit]

Perhaps you should read his post again, where baldly states that people won't attack the Turkish community because they'd get their throats slit, ergo London's Turkish community must, by that logic, be comprised of throat slitters.

made up of people who'd defend their community and businesses with meat cleavers when dickheads decide to attack their businesses.

and I've got nothing but respect for them for taking that 'don't fuck with us' approach.

would they actually have slit the throats of any they'd caught smashing their businesses up, probably not, but I doubt the meat cleavers were just for show, they would have used them if needed.

 

[Blagsta]

Personally, I'm a bit meh about targetting this cafe, but this video is interesting

 

[ViolentPanda]

nah they both fit your original definitions - you're just trying crap excuses to keep it relevant to today's society

Says the bloke who's clearly barely informed on the subject. Wilful ignorance from someone who needs to believe that their viewpoint is right.

 

[Dowie]

Says the bloke who's clearly barely informed on the subject. Wilful ignorance from someone who needs to believe that their viewpoint is right.

it is/was right - just pointing out flaws in those definitions as they were presented - you then tried feeble excuses to keep them relevant

 

[ViolentPanda]

made up of people who'd defend their community and businesses with meat cleavers when dickheads decide to attack their businesses.

and I've got nothing but respect for them for taking that 'don't fuck with us' approach.

would they actually have slit the throats of any they'd caught smashing their businesses up, probably not, but I doubt the meat cleavers were just for show, they would have used them if needed.

So why did the arse state what he did? He could have said "give them a shoeing" and no-one would have disagreed with him, but instead he trotted out some macho throat-slitting bullshit that stated that the Turkish community in London is comprised entirely of throat-slitters.

 

[ViolentPanda]

it is/was right - just pointing out flaws in those definitions as they were presented - you then tried feeble excuses to keep them relevant

Well you would say that,wouldn't you? You're hardly going to say "you're right,VP", even if you thought I was.

 

[DotCommunist]

the classical definitions of class a la marx and others have been the subject of near a centuries worth of defining for current generation and age and so forth. Demographics is class analysis by another name.

As usual prats who've spent less than thirty seconds thought on the matter sieze upon a complexity and declare class a dead concept. As you do when you aren't on the shit end of it

 

[Dowie]

Well you would say that,wouldn't you? You're hardly going to say "you're right,VP", even if you thought I was.

likewise

but you're putting forth definitions that don't work well today - there are plenty of highly paid 'workers' out there and plenty of supposed bourgeoisie (whether they own a large or small stake in the business they work for) who are much worse off than them

 

[Mr Retro]

He meant they'd be busy blocking their ears to his whining.

Shut up "violent" panda, you crashing bore

 

[Dowie]

As usual prats who've spent less than thirty seconds thought on the matter sieze upon a complexity and declare class a dead concept. As you do when you aren't on the shit end of it

its hardly a 'complexity' - it is pointing out that clinging onto outdated ideas is pretty silly in today's society

yet there are still a few prats who want to do that and try to argue away the obvious anomalies with crap excuses

 

[DotCommunist]

but the self employed sparky owns his own tools- thats the means right?

 

[Blagsta]

the classical definitions of class a la marx and others have been the subject of near a centuries worth of defining for current generation and age and so forth. Demographics is class analysis by another name.

As usual prats who've spent less than thirty seconds thought on the matter sieze upon a complexity and declare class a dead concept. As you do when you aren't on the shit end of it

Marx was also clear that he wasn't talking about individuals, but the roles that people play in an economy.

 

[DotCommunist]

its hardly a 'complexity' - it is pointing out that clinging onto outdated ideas is pretty silly in today's society

well, you'll have to inform those at the FT and similar journals, advertisers and marketers who still take the classical definitions as articulated through modern lenses as useful

 

[Dowie]

well, you'll have to inform those at the FT and similar journals, advertisers and marketers who still take the classical definitions as articulated through modern lenses as useful

why do I have to do that?