Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[ViolentPanda]

Do I recall a previous thread where boss class Batboy was upset because boss class Jewish syndicates had infiltrated his patch which is bad because Batboy is a fairer form of boss class because of his working class background?!

You remember correctly.

 

[salem]

You pretty much branded the entire Turkish community in London as throat slitters. This isn't about you being the victim of bullying, it's about you ignorantly sounding off in a way that says "all of London's Turks are murderous knife-carrying thugs".
If you can't see that, then please don't cross the road on your own, as you're obviously too dumb to be trusted to.

Hyperbole of cereal for VP?

 

[ViolentPanda]

any of them running pop up cafes

I wouldn't trust most lifestyle anarchists with a pop-up toaster, let alone a pop-up cafe. Daft cunts would catch their dreads alight in it.

 

[ska invita]

Ok I get that... Why not target Premiership football clubs and smash the stadiums up?

Its a weird question to keep banging on about..I dont really get it. From what I can see the fuck parade thing is about expressing anger in areas of extreme gentrification - to date Aldgate/Southwark, Camden and Shoreditch - if you're angry about prem football, you go ahead and organise that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hyperbole of cereal for VP?

Did you bother to read Batboy's original throat-slitter post? No room for ambiguity.
I don't need hyperbole when someone snookers themselves so completely and utterly.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'd like to see an episode of eastenders where Class War target Ian Beale and nobody cares cos everyone hates Ian Beale

Jane Beale would come out to give them what for, only CW rhetoric game is so strong she does an Ulrike Meinhoff and joins the womens death brigades in burning down Ians chip van

 

[Batboy]

Fairynuff, I'm not judging. I was just wondering why you thought that unions would mean your workers would be paid less.

In the rush of posting context mate... to be honest I know longer look at trade unions the only one that earns my respect is Bob Crowes lot... probably seems a paradox considering where I am at... but I really got Bob Crowe and respected him

 

[tim]

Do I recall a previous thread where boss class Batboy was upset because boss class Jewish syndicates had infiltrated his patch which is bad because Batboy is a fairer form of boss class because of his working class background?!

I do. Clearly Poujadism is alive and well.

 

[DotCommunist]

Its a weird question to keep banging on about..I dont really get it. From what I can see the fuck parade thing is about expressing anger in areas of extreme gentrification - to date Aldgate/Southwark, Camden and Shoreditch - if you're angry about prem football, you go ahead and organise that.

police presence at prem clubs is big or very quick response. And they hand out some ludicrous stretches for aggro in and around a football ground now

 

[ViolentPanda]

They do in the eyes of many on U75. I have just worked 10 weeks with no pay every day to try and get something new off the ground.

Cui bono?

 

[ska invita]

police presence at prem clubs is big or very quick response. And they hand out some ludicrous stretches for aggro in and around a football ground now

theres that too

 

[ViolentPanda]

hey, I just checked and smoke renades are 3 quid a pop- much like the cereal! god loves his little ironies.

but yes, clearly sons of toil could never afford that. Thats why theres never any working class people at the paintballing

The working class are the only class present when I paint my balls, I can tell you!

 

[Batboy]

From what I can see, of the 3 parades all the 'attacks' have been largely damage-free, symbolic, and aimed at targets that I think you would find legitimate: financial institutions, estate agents, southwark council offices got their windows banged on... 'small businesses' are not a target, but rightly or wrongly this cereal cafe has become symbolic of hackneys/tower hamlets gentrification...why that is is hard to unpick - i think theres something deeply flippant about the concept of a cereal cafe that resonates with the flippantry of gentrification itself - both cereal cafe and gentrification seem gleefully oblivious to the reality of the lives of people around them. Let them eat imported Fruity Pebbles...

Also worth remembering that what people choose to do at a protest like this is up to them: targets arent given the seal of authority by CW central commitee! - once something like this starts its in the people who attends hands.

I get that and to be honest I don't have a specific sympathy t overall Cafe... but what does rile me is the way anarchists /Class war targets soft targets... go after premiership clubs and challenge the supporters and win them over... then I'm impressed. It won't happen because they won't win the fight everyone here knows that and that is why know one will confront my question/suggestion.

 

[Batboy]

You remember correctly.

context as usual.

 

[Batboy]

The working class are the only class present when I paint my balls, I can tell you!

too much information....

 

[stethoscope]

Still don't get this tangent about football clubs.

Anyway, much as I hate the Irons moving to the Olympic Stadium, I hate the property developers more that will re-develop Upton Park into posh apartments.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I sometimes wonder whether the labelling of class actually gives the issue of class momentum as a problem.

The notion that I somehow see myself as better or worse than everyday people I see on the street really has no basis, and I think in a vast majority of people I know the same thing could be said. Realistically that's what I can see it being about, but if it's about wealth then will someone please tell me what the benchmarks are because they seem to be moved every 15 seconds.

A discussion surrounding class almost always ends up in playing political theory big bollocks punctuated by some generalised mud slinging.

It's not about better or worse, it's about different experiences of what life is, dependent on class.
As for the benchmarks, given the utter desperation some people have about identifying the class they were raised in, good luck in getting honest answers on that!

 

[Batboy]

I have to fuck off... you will be pleased to know, love and respect to you all even though you are fucking annoying....

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fuck me I can't believe the preoccupation in this country on class... especially on these forums... it's quite depressing

Here's the thing: Class informs everything around us. It informs how the state treats us; it informs whether our education is good or merely acceptable; it informs whether we, even given the smarts, are likely to get a place at the best universities; it informs how others treat us.
That you either don't realise this, or ignore it, is what is depressing.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Said it before, 'they' only call it class war when we fight back!

 

[ClassWar2015]

I'd like to see an episode of eastenders where Class War target Ian Beale and nobody cares cos everyone hates Ian Beale

Jane Beale would come out to give them what for, only CW rhetoric game is so strong she does an Ulrike Meinhoff and joins the womens death brigades in burning down Ians chip van

I can see a meme coming on.

 

[ska invita]

I get that and to be honest I don't have a specific sympathy t overall Cafe... but what does rile me is the way anarchists /Class war targets soft targets... go after premiership clubs and challenge the supporters and win them over... then I'm impressed. It won't happen because they won't win the fight everyone here knows that and that is why know one will confront my question/suggestion.

As to only picking soft targets there was nothing soft on the CIty parade - right through the banking sector outnumbered by police - against the odds that day. This is ultimately a symbolic and demonstrative action though remember - banging on some windows isnt going to make the buildings and institutions disappear...

One thing thats a bit weak at these is little to no attempt to connect with people and bring them on board. Seems the philosophy behind this is simply to be a mob, and those naturally sympathetic are drawn to the mob and don't need anything explaining to them. It may not be the most effective model, but it is what it is - and as Martin Wright points out, theres an ancient tradition of it. It is what it is, and its pointless asking , why not do this and do that.

 

[free spirit]

Here's the thing: Class informs everything around us. It informs how the state treats us; it informs whether our education is good or merely acceptable; it informs whether we, even given the smarts, are likely to get a place at the best universities; it informs how others treat us.
That you either don't realise this, or ignore it, is what is depressing.

and when the sons and daughters of the true working class get the opportunity to actually go to university, and end up in jobs that aren't traditional working class roles, they then become legit targets?

 

[ClassWar2015]

 

[ska invita]

Class informs everything around us

C.R.E.A.M. get the money, dollar dollar bill yall

 

[cantsin]

Loads. Have you any idea of the size of their BTL portfolio? Middle class kids spending 70% of their wages to live in a shoebox somewhere trendy are just pawns in the game. I found it amusing when I read about it this morning but I don't think it was a great target tactically.

nope , had very little idea of RBS's 'BTL' portfolio, as i guess would be the case for 99.9% of the public, so maybe not the most obvious target for what was presumably meant to be an easily visible/relateable stunt, directly linked to cultural/economic gentrification in the immediate area.

Whether CKC was a "great target, tactically", as I said earlier , not 100 % convinced myself - just can't be doing with the armchair generals getting all moralistic about what looked like a vibrant, spontaneous, boredom-busting action.

 

[Mr Retro]

what a big man you are. when was thd last time you attacked someone?

I've never attacked somebody. Why do you ask?

 

[Mr Retro]

Outraged liberal magnet, this thread.

Loving that the opposite is true .

 

[cantsin]

I've never attacked somebody. Why do you ask?

you sound very up for it though, from there,behind yr keyboard ?

 

[Citizen66]

Loving that the opposite is true .

What is the opposite of an outraged liberal, out of curiosity?