Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[DotCommunist]

I sometimes wonder whether the labelling of class actually gives the issue of class momentum as a problem.

its probably more concrete things like the vast income gap, the social capital afforded by class, the access to better tiers of education and health, the increased life span concordant with generations of the above etc Labels aren't the problem.

 

[Citizen66]

In the builder's case when he did my kitchen he did different stuff to the bloke who laid the bricks, was here more, presumably did the quote and the books, etc, they didn't do the same work but if anything he did loads more

That just sounds like self employed contractors working on jobs together. In that example, people could tender separately for the work or tender to the builder who probably will still take a cut from their labour In return for the contract. What's the point in having sub contractors if that isn't the case?

 

[Dowie]

Was I dreaming, or did our CW correspondent really get narky about the idea that some football clubs would be more understandable targets than local small business?

apparently he did

tis ridiculous that organisations that now charge very inflated ticket prices in addition to a nice earner from corporate entertainment + millions from broadcasters would be a target

clearly it is the small cereal shop selling bowls of cereal at £3.50 that are the real enemy

 

[Batboy]

Fuck me I can't believe the preoccupation in this country on class... especially on these forums... it's quite depressing

 

[Citizen66]

No at present I employ 4 people the minimum wage I pay is 10.00 an hour under Union rules they would earn less... In the past I have employed up to 25 people I have always paid well .. apart from myself especially considering the risks I take and the amount of hours I work... your point is?

Wtf, what Union argues they should earn less?

 

[DotCommunist]

all countries have class hangups, ours may be a little more codified and shop worn arguments due to longevity of the fucking argument, but as ever people not on the wrong end want to throw up hands and go 'oh class! what is it anyway! we brits are obsessed! we are all human beings at the end of the day! bowl of Lucky Charms, on me?'

 

[Batboy]

apparently he did

tis ridiculous that organisations that now charge very inflated ticket prices in addition to a nice earner from corporate entertainment + millions from broadcasters would be a target

clearly it is the small cereal shop selling bowls of cereal at £3.50 that are the real enemy

Quite amazing that not one of the supporters of anarchy/Class war on these forums including Ed have answered my question.... Why not take on Premiership football clubs? According to Calss War I am on moron for asking this question.... fucking cowards is all I can think of.... Match of the day would never be more interesting... I would be quite happy for Lineker to have a petrol bomb shoved up his rectum... come on entertain us!

 

[ViolentPanda]

sons of a Belfast builder / electrician, state educated, went to belfast poly.....

what would you call them?

Bourgeois.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Fuck me I can't believe the preoccupation in this country on class... especially on these forums... it's quite depressing

I can understand pre-occupation with how means of production and distribution are owned and controlled. Also, issues of privilige and petty snobbery.

But slagging off people for liking theatre, radio 4 etc (or phoney revellry in it) are utter bollocks.

 

[free spirit]

its probably more concrete things like the vast income gap, the social capital afforded by class, the access to better tiers of education and health, the increased life span concordant with generations of the above etc Labels aren't the problem.

But the issue this thread highlights is the idea that any working class kids who then dare to do something as none working class as going to the local poly / uni, and maybe ending up as a clothes shop manager after working their way up through the ranks, or owning their own cafe are then legit targets for class war.

it's a completely bullshit divisive agenda.

 

[Batboy]

Wtf, what Union argues they should earn less?

Ok perhaps that was wrong on me. Today I employed a part time cleaner on 10.00 an hour. I have recently had people working for me on a min of 12.00 an hour. I value people that work for me. I never pay min wage. My Salary over the last ten weeks has been zero. I have started a new project and in order to get it off the ground I take zero out. Very often I pay people more than I take. My strategy is long term. Not every employer is a cunt you know.

 

[Ax^]

the other brother is in the preforming arts


burn them

 

[Blagsta]

No at present I employ 4 people the minimum wage I pay is 10.00 an hour under Union rules they would earn less... In the past I have employed up to 25 people I have always paid well .. apart from myself especially considering the risks I take and the amount of hours I work... your point is?

How so?

 

[Batboy]

How so?

How so what? please expand

 

[Blagsta]

How so what? please expand

How would they earn less under union rules? (I bolded it)

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yep, have done for many years I am a great believer in small businesses and if anyone came to attack my business they would have the biggest fight they had ever seen.

Yes, of course they would.

Class war don't pick on kebab shops because the whole Turkish community would gang up and slit their throats. One of the things I noticed during the London riots was how they stood together and armed themselves.

Fucking Turks, coming over here and slitting our throats, then probably mincing us and serving us up as kebabs too!
Catch a fucking hold of yourself!

There is a massive hole in Class wars argument in attacking certain businesses. They are cowards. Go attack a football club, they are more legitimate than some poxy pretentious cafe in Brick Lane.

Because, of course, Class War have never ever protested against the commodification of a working class sport.

The real shame is that I am anti corporate , I hate the financial institutions, I hate the property market situation, I hate the way the working classes have been fucked over, but if you think by attacking a small business I will support you, you can go fuck yourself.

It's fairly clear from your posts over the years that what you're anti is business getting its' claws into you, rather than you being ideologically anti-corporate or anti-capitalist.

 

[Citizen66]

I'm just genuinely curious about what input local people had into the organising/objectives of the protest, and how many from the area targeted were part of this protest, ie what were the channels of communication and who was involved in the decision making

You can only protest if you live there and it directly affects you?

Better go tell all the Palestine Solidarity pickets to piss off home then.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Small business owners will never be 'on side'. They're fully invested in the mechanics of capital and class.

Small business people always believe that they're the exception to Marx's rule.
Right up until the hammer falls, and then they're at our throats like slavering dogs.

 

[Batboy]

Yes, of course they would.



Fucking Turks, coming over here and slitting our throats, then probably mincing us and serving us up as kebabs too!
Catch a fucking hold of yourself!



Because, of course, Class War have never ever protested against the commodification of a working class sport.



It's fairly clear from your posts over the years that what you're anti is business getting its' claws into you, rather than you being ideologically anti-corporate or anti-capitalist.

please point me in the direction of Class Wars direct action against Premiership football.....

 

[ClassWar2015]

Anyway, nuff of this old shite, what I'm still wondering, ClassWar2015 is

Anyone who knows anything about Class War knows many of us are local to the East End. We campaign on issues based there, such as the Poor Doors at Commercial Street and the Jack The Ripper Museum on Cable Street.

Watch this....

 

[Batboy]

How would they earn less under union rules? (I bolded it)

I did reply to somebody less post on this question// and admitted that perhaps that was not the right context... still know and say I have always paid way above average in terms of wages and lead from the front in terms of work commitment and effort... not that would wash with many on here and perhaps including you. As an employer I have a very clear conscience, I have always treated people that work for me well, it is not always reciprocal by the way, you and others should try it before you judge.

 

[Blagsta]

I did reply to somebody less post on this question// and admitted that perhaps that was not the right context... still know and say I have always paid way above average in terms of wages and lead from the front in terms of work commitment and effort... not that would wash with many on here and perhaps including you. As an employer I have a very clear conscience, I have always treated people that work for me well, it is not always reciprocal by the way, you and others should try it before you judge.

Fairynuff, I'm not judging. I was just wondering why you thought that unions would mean your workers would be paid less.

 

[Citizen66]

Small business people always believe that they're the exception to Marx's rule.
Right up until the hammer falls, and then they're at our throats like slavering dogs.

Straight with the cops on the counter revolution.

 

[ska invita]

The real shame is that I am anti corporate , I hate the financial institutions, I hate the property market situation, I hate the way the working classes have been fucked over, but if you think by attacking a small business I will support you, you can go fuck yourself.

From what I can see, of the 3 parades all the 'attacks' have been largely damage-free, symbolic, and aimed at targets that I think you would find legitimate: financial institutions, estate agents, southwark council offices got their windows banged on... 'small businesses' are not a target, but rightly or wrongly this cereal cafe has become symbolic of hackneys/tower hamlets gentrification...why that is is hard to unpick - i think theres something deeply flippant about the concept of a cereal cafe that resonates with the flippantry of gentrification itself - both cereal cafe and gentrification seem gleefully oblivious to the reality of the lives of people around them. Let them eat imported Fruity Pebbles...

Also worth remembering that what people choose to do at a protest like this is up to them: targets arent given the seal of authority by CW central commitee! - once something like this starts its in the people who attends hands.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do you know this is the usual shit on these forums and why I often disappear. . You cannot engage and answer intelligent questions choosing instead to cry 'racism' because that is in your mind the only way out of an argument.. Mate you are picking on the wrong person for that. fuck off or someone ban me..... Urban 75 used to be interesting it is morphing into some back slapping self congratulatory forum with central characters that have been on here since its inception. Anyone with an alternative view from the bully core is drowned out by accusations such as this.

You pretty much branded the entire Turkish community in London as throat slitters. This isn't about you being the victim of bullying, it's about you ignorantly sounding off in a way that says "all of London's Turks are murderous knife-carrying thugs".
If you can't see that, then please don't cross the road on your own, as you're obviously too dumb to be trusted to.

 

[ClassWar2015]

I did reply to somebody less post on this question// and admitted that perhaps that was not the right context... still know and say I have always paid way above average in terms of wages and lead from the front in terms of work commitment and effort... not that would wash with many on here and perhaps including you. As an employer I have a very clear conscience, I have always treated people that work for me well, it is not always reciprocal by the way, you and others should try it before you judge.

How very deeply generous of you.

 

[Batboy]

From what I can see, of the 3 parades all the 'attacks' have been largely damage-free, symoblic, and aimed at targets that I think you would find legitimate: financial institutions, estate agents, southwark council offices got their windows banged on... 'small businesses' are not a target, but rightly or wrongly this cereal cafe has become symbolic of hackneys/tower hamlets gentrification...why that is is hard to unpick - i think theres something deeply flippant about the concept of a cereal cafe that resonates with the flippantry of gentrification itself - both cereal cafe and gentrification seem gleefully oblivious to the reality of the lives of people around them. Let them eat imported Fruity Pebbles...

Also worth remembering that what people choose to do at a protest like this is up to them: targets arent given the seal of authority by CW central commitee! - once something like this starts its in the people who attends hands.

Ok I get that... Why not target Premiership football clubs and smash the stadiums up?

 

[Batboy]

How very deeply generous of you.

Why not target Premiership football clubs and smash the stadiums up? Please answer.... or organise....

When can we expect you at Stratford Olympic Stadium.. .surely here is not greater gentrification than this.... Go on do it I will be so impressed I may then be converted....

 

[Ax^]

Why not target Premiership football clubs and smash the stadiums up? Please answer.... or organise....

would you like to see football fans coming out to protect the clubs

 

[ViolentPanda]

You'll have to take my word for it, but some of the anarchists who were making the most noise on here a decade ago are now following very successful professional careers.

Lifestylers, most of 'em!