Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[Citizen66]

haven't got a clue about what they've done, IP covers any and all of that.

I don't think you can patent what your shop sells. Monopolies no good for free markets.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Bosses seldom do equitable labour.

I can only go on the four small businesses I have dealt with relatively recently but in all cases the 'boss' did the same as or more than anyone else. Surely in small ie 2 3/or 4 person operations it's going to be this way?

 

[Citizen66]

Do I recall a previous thread where boss class Batboy was upset because boss class Jewish syndicates had infiltrated his patch which is bad because Batboy is a fairer form of boss class because of his working class background?!

Your memory functions fine.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Anyway, nuff of this old shite, what I'm still wondering, ClassWar2015 is

I'm just genuinely curious about what input local people had into the organising/objectives of the protest, and how many from the area targeted were part of this protest, ie what were the channels of communication and who was involved in the decision making

 

[Citizen66]

I can only go on the four small businesses I have dealt with relatively recently but in all cases the 'boss' did the same as or more than anyone else. Surely in small ie 2 3/or 4 person operations it's going to be this way?

Do they all draw the same salary?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Do they all draw the same salary?

No idea. Should they?

 

[maomao]

I can only go on the four small businesses I have dealt with relatively recently but in all cases the 'boss' did the same as or more than anyone else. Surely in small ie 2 3/or 4 person operations it's going to be this way?

I worked for a smallish company for years where the boss was a lazy incompetent coke head cunt whose company was kept running by those of us who depended on the wage.

 

[free spirit]

I don't think you can patent what your shop sells. Monopolies no good for free markets.

if you're arguing that there's minimal value in the intellectual property that they own then I'd agree, it was pretty much the point I was making. They probably actually own fuck all.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Class is so complex. I know plenty of lower and middle class people as well as having some insight into higher than that.

I do not find the credibilty of a person's political perspective to be dependent on their class.

Middle (ish) class people who are denigrated merely for holding opinions to the left of tory-ism get it from two main directions - working class elements and middle class reactionary elements. Laughing at middle class liberals/socialists/anarchists etc. is just as common among Daily Mail types as some of the finger-waggers on here. Something to reflect on possibly.

 

[Ax^]

the cafe owners are just happy with the publicity it would seem

 

[Citizen66]

No idea. Should they?

How can the labour they do be equitable if they're rewarded differently?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

sons of a Belfast builder / electrician, state educated, went to belfast poly.....

what would you call them?

Enemies of everything.

 

[Citizen66]

if you're arguing that there's minimal value in the intellectual property that they own then I'd agree, it was pretty much the point I was making. They probably actually own fuck all.

Just a business valued at enough to enable growth into another high value central London location.

 

[Batboy]

How did these so called poor people who can't afford £3 cereal bowls afford pig masks and flare n stuff?

because they live in Surrey?

 

[Wolveryeti]

How did these so called poor people who can't afford £3 cereal bowls afford pig masks and flare n stuff?

They weren't poor, just angry losers who like to hate on people with more gumption than themselves. Any excuse will do - not the right type of working class etc. They like to drag the beneficiaries of their 'love' down to their level.

 

[Wolveryeti]

DP.

 

[Citizen66]

because they live in Surrey?

Are your workers unionised?

 

[DotCommunist]

hey, I just checked and smoke renades are 3 quid a pop- much like the cereal! god loves his little ironies.

but yes, clearly sons of toil could never afford that. Thats why theres never any working class people at the paintballing

 

[Citizen66]

hey, I just checked and smoke renades are 3 quid a pop- much like the cereal! god loves his little ironies.

but yes, clearly sons of toil could never afford that. Thats why theres never any working class people at the paintballing

It's an aristocratic pursuit.

 

[DotCommunist]

They weren't poor, just angry losers who like to hate on people with more gumption than themselves. Any excuse will do - not the right type of working class etc. They like to drag the beneficiaries of their 'love' down to their level.

politics of envy

 

[Batboy]

Class is so complex. I know plenty of lower and middle class people as well as having some insight into higher than that.

I do not find the credibilty of a person's political perspective to be dependent on their class.

Middle (ish) class people who are denigrated merely for holding opinions to the left of tory-ism get it from two main directions - working class elements and middle class reactionary elements. Laughing at middle class liberals/socialists/anarchists etc. is just as common among Daily Mail types as some of the finger-waggers on here. Something to reflect on possibly.

Unfortunately one of the common factors between the DM and U75 is the lack of understanding of the complexities of people and indeed class, life can be very polarised in these domains.. Congrats again good observation..

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's true - I can't engage seriously with incoherent virtue-signalling dressed up as spokesmanship for the poor.

Guilty m'lud!

Oh dear, buzzwording us with the latest media favourite: "virtue-signalling", and having quantify it as "dressed up as spokesmanship for the poor"! How do you know the economic status of the protesters? You don't, any more than you know the economic status of your interlocutors on Urban.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've said on the other thread but i'll say it here:

Anyone who thinks charging soo much for cereal is a gentrification issue is talking hypocritical bullshit if they have ever bought a coffee when out or a take away pizza as they themselves have already paid over the odds for something they could have made at home for a fraction of the cost.

However I couldn't have 100 of their 120 cereals at my home because i don't have a clue how to get hold of them in the UK and it would no doubt cost me lots of time, effort and money to track em down.

As usual, you miss the point.

 

[sim667]

Class is so complex. I know plenty of lower and middle class people as well as having some insight into higher than that.

I do not find the credibilty of a person's political perspective to be dependent on their class.

Middle (ish) class people who are denigrated merely for holding opinions to the left of tory-ism get it from two main directions - working class elements and middle class reactionary elements. Laughing at middle class liberals/socialists/anarchists etc. is just as common among Daily Mail types as some of the finger-waggers on here. Something to reflect on possibly.

I sometimes wonder whether the labelling of class actually gives the issue of class momentum as a problem.

The notion that I somehow see myself as better or worse than everyday people I see on the street really has no basis, and I think in a vast majority of people I know the same thing could be said. Realistically that's what I can see it being about, but if it's about wealth then will someone please tell me what the benchmarks are because they seem to be moved every 15 seconds.

A discussion surrounding class almost always ends up in playing political theory big bollocks punctuated by some generalised mud slinging.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Was I dreaming, or did our CW correspondent really get narky about the idea that some football clubs would be more understandable targets than local small business?

 

[Citizen66]

Unfortunately one of the common factors between the DM and U75 is the lack of understanding of the complexities of people and indeed class, life can be very polarised in these domains.. Congrats again good observation..

Working class employers.

 

[Steel Icarus]

How can the labour they do be equitable if they're rewarded differently?

In the builder's case when he did my kitchen he did different stuff to the bloke who laid the bricks, was here more, presumably did the quote and the books, etc, they didn't do the same work but if anything he did loads more

 

[Batboy]

Are your workers unionised?

No at present I employ 4 people the minimum wage I pay is 10.00 an hour under Union rules they would earn less... In the past I have employed up to 25 people I have always paid well .. apart from myself especially considering the risks I take and the amount of hours I work... your point is?

 

[Wolveryeti]

Oh dear, buzzwording us with the latest media favourite: "virtue-signalling", and having quantify it as "dressed up as spokesmanship for the poor"! How do you know the economic status of the protesters? You don't, any more than you know the economic status of your interlocutors on Urban.

It's obvious from their frantic triangulations when trying to define 'working class' (as far as i can tell, their usage is synonymous with 'less successful than them')

 

[Steel Icarus]

I'm fucking bored with the whole naval gazing minutiae scraping bollocks anyway, leave you all to it, will check back only to see if cw or anyone else bothers to answer the question on the local community I asked, assuming they're central or even involved in this parade thing.