mauvais
on reddit or something
Maybe, but the attack on the police car suggests they were at the very least physically competent.
French magazine publishes controversial cartoons of Prophet Muhammad - many killed in revenge attack
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Odd. All I can find in the article itself is a reference to:
...which would be the charge of trying to help others go to Iraq (or to Syria), wouldn't it? I think La R is jumping the gun. Which doesn't prove it false, either...
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
You're still getting it wrong; they are, it's just that their reading of Islam is not the majority one. Your problem was not that you called those murderers Muslims, but that you tarred all Muslims as supporting Murder. It really isn't hard, and I know you have the capacity to grasp it.
Also, there are the commentators with military training who can't imagine how anyone could pull of anything without, er, military training. D'oh.
From La Repubblica:
I'm a bit worried it might not be them, so I am not that keen. Also not generally keen on state killing.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Well obviously the idea of efficient "unstoppable" jihadis would be very scary...but that's more nonsense. The islamophobia and fear will be engineered by the usual suspects irrespective of the fate of these three gunmen.
Describing them as 'crap' helps no-one.
And none at all about the Christian ideals, ever?
I put it to you that Islam, at the time of its formulation, was revolutionary, including granting women and girls rights which they hadn't previously enjoyed in Arabia.
Polygamy was a way of providing women with some chance of protection and support when warfare made men so scarce that monogamy would have been impractical. And that was balanced by only being allowed if each of the wives were not only treated equally but loved equally.
At its best, Islam (in the Koran, not just the Hadith) exhorts both sexes to seek education and knowlege even if it means going to the ends of the earth for it.
It permits women and girls to work, earn a living, own property, and even keep any money they earn, at a time when most European culture was far less advanced.
It forbids infanticide. It encourages self control, and if you can't control yourself, codifies how to avoid temptation. It requires that widows, orphans, and other people in a vulnerable situation be treated fairly. It requires that hostages and POWs be treated well, at a time when that wasn't common practice in Europe. It discourages showing off, exploitation, and conspicuous consumption.
At its best, Islam (in the Koran, not just the Hadith) exhorts both sexes to seek education and knowlege even if it means going to the ends of the earth for it.
It permits women and girls to work, earn a living, own property, and even keep any money they earn, at a time when most European culture was far less advanced.
It forbids infanticide. It encourages self control, and if you can't control yourself, codifies how to avoid temptation. It requires that widows, orphans, and other people in a vulnerable situation be treated fairly. It requires that hostages and POWs be treated well, at a time when that wasn't common practice in Europe. It discourages showing off, exploitation, and conspicuous consumption.
Mmm. You want to create maximum fear and hate: leave someone else's ID in the getaway car. (If La Repubblica has that right)...
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Leaving an identity card in the car would be so supremely crap that it's now tempting to wonder if the Kouachis were set up by an entirely separate group of killers.
E2A - as Laptop just said.
E2A - as Laptop just said.
Why? Hundred of French Jihadis have been in Syria, training ground for sick cunts like this to come back and carry out such acts. Far right are going to be all over this.
It was poor quality audio, it was hard to make out what was being said and there were other voices but in the footage that has been posted online they sound like French accents to me.
I could be very wrong for a number of reasons,
Latest reports are that they're all from Gennevilliers, with two being born in Paris and the other in Rheims.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Well, no - but whom, or what, does it hinder?
Yabbut. What I said about commentators with military training and a (consequent) lack of imagination.
According to whom Reclaim the Streets didn't happen
Was more about Syria -- couldn't find any mention of it apart from the 'hypothetical' thing quoted.
Not much more than a hunch, so far.
Far right are going to be all over this.
They will
Sirena
Don't monkey with the buzzsaw
Almost as bad - if you're a hijacker - as allowing your passport to be found in the rubble of the world trade centre?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
One thought that I keep thinking of, as I did after the Woolwich murder or after any number of the beheading videos. Imagine being the kid or wife or mum of one of the victims, you cannot escape the footage of the brutal murder of your loved one. It's there forever, and everywhere.
Lurdan
old wave
Perhaps this was all a cunningly staged suicide mission by those racists at Charlie Hebdo in order to foment an islamophobic backlash.
</sarcasm>
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Not MY religion! Mine is perfect in every way. How dare anyone say otherwise!
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Though this is pretty insignificant....if, as it appears above, you have accepted that it was inaccurate or misleading to describe the jihadis as "crap", anyone perceiving your earlier posting as credible would have been misled.
But, as you say...you're no longer "wedded" to the term...so we can move on.
Yours, mine, theirs, everyone's. All potentially flawed, all potentially helpful to people when trying to behave better in spite of themselves.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
The close grouping of the shots in the windscreen of the police car, particularly as the rifles were on single shot as against automatic, is in itself a strong indication of familiarity and competence with weapons, as well as confidence in themselves to dispatch (unlike say Mumbai) precisely those they had targeted.
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