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The article was posted on Jacobin's facebook page, and it looks like they've lost a lot of subscribers and supporters as a consequence.
French magazine publishes controversial cartoons of Prophet Muhammad - many killed in revenge attack
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The article was posted on Jacobin's facebook page, and it looks like they've lost a lot of subscribers and supporters as a consequence.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yep; they were, very obviously, anything but 'crap'. What a nonsense comment.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Just to clarify, I obviously do not think that they have any obligation to condemn it in the first place any more than I or any other given person does but if you are going to mention the backlash without condemning the original killings then that absence is very conspicuous.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
If they remain at large, they probably aren't crap. If their speedy unmasking was unplanned, their homes have been raided and they have been nicked (as your little chum from Bristol suggested) they really are rather crap. Especially if they were traceable through the car.
Liberation reporting that they've possibly been arrested but no confirmation yet from the Ministry of the Interior.
21h30. Les trois suspects ont bien été identifiés. Il s'agit de Saïd K., né en 1980 à Paris, Chérif K., né en 1982 à Paris et Hamyd M., né en 1996. Tous trois sont originaires de Gennevilliers (Hauts-de-Seine). Ils auraient été interpellés mais aucune confirmation officielle n'émane pour l'heure du ministère de l'Intérieur.
21h30. Les trois suspects ont bien été identifiés. Il s'agit de Saïd K., né en 1980 à Paris, Chérif K., né en 1982 à Paris et Hamyd M., né en 1996. Tous trois sont originaires de Gennevilliers (Hauts-de-Seine). Ils auraient été interpellés mais aucune confirmation officielle n'émane pour l'heure du ministère de l'Intérieur.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
hot air baboon
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....sounds a bit remeniscent of the Tsarnaev brothers type of set-up...
Cohn-Bendit, "" Charlie "is the anticlerical radicalism, that's why they were killed"
INTERVIEW For him, it is "one of the last forms of the spirit of May 68 who was murdered."
http://www.liberation.fr/societe/20...ale-c-est-pour-ca-qu-ils-ont-ete-tues_1175497
Dany Cohn-Bendit, former leader of May 68 and fellow band Charlie wrote the preface to a book Cabu in 2006.
How do you react to the barbaric attack against 'Charlie Hebdo' and the assassination of several designers?
This is our generation is the generation of cartoonists, one of the last forms of the spirit of May 68, which was murdered.
There is a Islamofascism does exist. This is not Islam, they are fascists, do not beat around the bush. As there has been a came fascism of Western civilization, there is a fascism came from civilization of Islam. Must be good now. We always said: "Fascism will not pass." It's hard but we must be clear in his head and not mix everything. What is attacked there, that is the right to the radical critique of all religions. Charlie Hebdo is the anticlerical radicalism, that's why they were killed. Our civilization, what we want to defend is the right to this radicalism.
You were a close Cabu and Wolinski?
Wolinski came to the celebration of my 68 years in June. Cabu was a boyfriend. I wrote in 2006 in a preface to one of his books, Cabu not afraid of anything. He has his radicalism to him. What is extraordinary is that when I see my speech of May 68, they are tacky, but his drawings to him are not tacky. The Cabu anticlerical, anti-authoritarian militarism was one of the incarnations of this radicalism. He walks tall.
Cohn-Bendit, "" Charlie "is the anticlerical radicalism, that's why they were killed"
INTERVIEW For him, it is "one of the last forms of the spirit of May 68 who was murdered."
http://www.liberation.fr/societe/20...ale-c-est-pour-ca-qu-ils-ont-ete-tues_1175497
Dany Cohn-Bendit, former leader of May 68 and fellow band Charlie wrote the preface to a book Cabu in 2006.
How do you react to the barbaric attack against 'Charlie Hebdo' and the assassination of several designers?
This is our generation is the generation of cartoonists, one of the last forms of the spirit of May 68, which was murdered.
There is a Islamofascism does exist. This is not Islam, they are fascists, do not beat around the bush. As there has been a came fascism of Western civilization, there is a fascism came from civilization of Islam. Must be good now. We always said: "Fascism will not pass." It's hard but we must be clear in his head and not mix everything. What is attacked there, that is the right to the radical critique of all religions. Charlie Hebdo is the anticlerical radicalism, that's why they were killed. Our civilization, what we want to defend is the right to this radicalism.
You were a close Cabu and Wolinski?
Wolinski came to the celebration of my 68 years in June. Cabu was a boyfriend. I wrote in 2006 in a preface to one of his books, Cabu not afraid of anything. He has his radicalism to him. What is extraordinary is that when I see my speech of May 68, they are tacky, but his drawings to him are not tacky. The Cabu anticlerical, anti-authoritarian militarism was one of the incarnations of this radicalism. He walks tall.
telbert
Do you like sponge?
Quality.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Worth re-reading Malik's article published on Jan 3rd: https://kenanmalik.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/radical-islam-nihilist-rage/
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Whilst no-one is in a position to know how the perpetrators planned to exit from their 'mission', it is obvious that they achieved their objective with ruthless, and some observers have said "professional", efficiency. I fail to see what is gained by pretending that these killers were "crap". Why would you want to maintain such a preposterous position?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
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Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Well, the observers weren't professional trainers or assessors of assassins. We know they were ruthless, we know they were well equipped. That's all we really know.
If you make the effort to escape and abandon your car, it's a bit surprising to have left yourself in a position where you can be apprehended so quickly. Don't you think?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
why i am surprised they were masked -
1 a lot of terrorist attacks combine suicide missions - why cover up if you going to be blow up, or shoot yourself?
2 they were expecting, i am sure, the cops to show up sharpish and start popping away, surely they knew there was a massively high chance of being shot dead by the police?
in other words, i am surprised they didn't combine their own deaths wiht the attack
which implies they forsaw a future - one of being on the run, or one of eventual death, but more carnage to follow.
1 a lot of terrorist attacks combine suicide missions - why cover up if you going to be blow up, or shoot yourself?
2 they were expecting, i am sure, the cops to show up sharpish and start popping away, surely they knew there was a massively high chance of being shot dead by the police?
in other words, i am surprised they didn't combine their own deaths wiht the attack
which implies they forsaw a future - one of being on the run, or one of eventual death, but more carnage to follow.
Photos, from Reims, back from Siria: http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/201...cati_gli_assalitori-104491275/1/?ref=HREA-1#1
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
"Surprising", so not "crap"?
As I said, we none of us are able to know the exit they envisaged, but I'd imagine that they undertook the 'mission' well aware that it might end in their own deaths, so apprehension might not have been such a large consideration.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
You are sometimes amusingly curmudgeonly, Sass, but you are not very bright and you are too opinionated in your stupidity to be tolerated as kindly as you might be.
Fuck off.
bemused
Well-Known Member
It did cross my mind that if I was going on a suicide mission and had a rocket launcher I'd probably take with me because - why not?
Depressingly it looks like these folks are still at large.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Yes, that's fair. But it all suggests that the planning was rather open-ended. The only point I was trying to make is that a gang of three people identified only as Islamist terrorists, who might pop up anywhere, taking out Rushdie one day and Jerry Falwell the next with ruthless and unstoppable efficiency, is rather more scary, and breeds more Islamophobia, than three chaps in custody. That's reasonable, surely?
Here's the article it refers to, I think:
http://www.lunion.com/france-monde/exclusif-attaque-a-charlie-hebdo-la-traque-s-oriente-ia0b0n467715
mauvais
on reddit or something
We know a little about the attackers. We know that they were accurate with their weapons, apparently calm, and they successfully escaped. Some are drawing conclusions from this, e.g. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/gunmen-charlie-hebdo-training-al-qaida
Regardless, this - preparedness and lack of suicide - is only really unusual in the context of contemporary terrorism in the West.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
From your link: But others were more cautious, saying the attackers did not appear to have completed a thorough reconnaissance of their target or gathered much intelligence about it. Instructors from al-Qaida have long told volunteers to prioritise both. According to witnesses, the three men initially went to the wrong address before finding the proper one, only gaining access by chance and going up the wrong staircase. They also had to ask the whereabouts of targets.
I'm not wedded to the idea that they were crap, but these were no Jason Bournes. The media's go-to security analysts, of course, earn their living and their status by being prepared to speculate about Al Quaeda or ISIL's terrifying capabilities and immediate plans for carnage. So they'd be likely to look out for signs of competence, rather than the reverse.
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