French magazine publishes controversial cartoons of Prophet Muhammad - many killed in revenge attack

[quiquaquo]

If people want to suggest a more approriate title that everyone can agree on, I will be happy to amend it.

"Charlie Hebdo massacre, 12 dead"

Let's leave Islam and Muslims out of it please.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

"Which one's Pink?"

 

[jakethesnake]

"Charlie Hebdo massacre, 12 dead"

Let's leave Islam and Muslims out of it please.

Why? Islam is central to what has happened.

 

[8ball]

But isn't vengeance usually associated with some notion of 'justice' being done? Whereas revenge is generally regarded as more concerned with causing harm without necessarily relating to any form of 'justice'?

No, they both relate to notions of justice.

 

[danny la rouge]

Do explain, what should be the response to these fascists?

She thought Charlie was a person, rather than a weekly magazine. Her Twitter feed then has her wriggling out, after being corrected, by saying she thought all the cartoons were by the same guy (she opines "it must be a man") as they have a similar style.

 

[8115]

Good luck trying to write an appropriate title, I agree it needed a new thread personally. Or you need a good sub editor editor

 

[krtek a houby]

Your conflation is more amusing tbf.

Nope, I don't know what that means, sorry.

Why do you find it hard to believe you can be well-educated and articulate and capable of murder for a cause in a suicide attack or similar? That turned out to be the profile of the 9-11 hijackers, for example.

Yes that's the case there but it doesn't really matter whether they have PHDs or not. Their acts are barbaric, base and degrading. And I'd apply that to officers of the law who shoot citizens, as well.

And if myself and several million others think of such wanton taking of lives as savage, so be it. Articulate and educated perhaps. But bloody, brutal, barbaric, inhuman? Definitely.

 

[maomao]

If people want to suggest a more approriate title that everyone can agree on, I will be happy to amend it.

Split the thread in two, it should have been a new thread anyway.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Split the thread in two, it should have been a new thread anyway.

Yep.

 

[treelover]

I'm going to ignore the sanctimonious attention seeking troll (well, apart from in this sentence about ignoring him lol). But, thinking if consequences closer to home, assuming it is what it looks like I'm guessing the likes of the edl, (probably bnp and possibly ukip as well) will try and use this to their advantage as they did with Rigby - how much capital do we think they'll gain out of it? I think it unlikely that it will draw in anyone who's not been involved before but well it be enough to pull people back who'd become inactive/disinterested?

Those fuckwits definitely just made life a lot harder for Muslims in France, that's for sure.

Pegida will grow.

 

[brogdale]

No, they both relate to notions of justice.

I was under the impression that to avenge implied more righteous retribution than mere 'payback'. Small point really, I suppose?

 

[treelover]

Liberation reporting Cabu (the cartoonist) and Charb (editorial director) have both been killed. Five people are critical. No confirmation that a rocket launcher was used but reports that kalashnikovs were. A CH journalist claimed that there was an editorial meeting going on at the time which is why so many people were in the office. Also reports the attackers asked for named journalists.

I watched a documentary which interviewed these people, very very sad,

 

[gabi]

What a truly fucked up religion. Kinda sick of hearing the excuses now.

 

[tufty79]

Already conspiralunacy popping up around this (shrieks of false flag, little/no blood from the guy shot in the head)

 

[gabi]

"Charlie Hebdo massacre, 12 dead"

Let's leave Islam and Muslims out of it please.

Why? They were screaming the prophets name as they executed these people.

 

[treelover]

I wouldn't want to be a muslim in Paris right now. French police will be looking for revenge.

I remember arriving in Paris on a train in 86 while I was inter-railing, the Algerian GIA were letting off bombs all over the city, I quickly scarpered, the difference now is tolerance levels are much lower and the right in various forms is on the march.

 

[brogdale]

What a truly fucked up religion. Kinda sick of hearing the excuses now.

Is there one that isn't?

 

[laptop]

Why? They were screaming the prophets name as they executed these people.

And an allegedly Christian chaplain blessed the Enola Gay before it bombed Hiroshima.

 

[not-bono-ever]

wonder if we will see another other bad news sneaked out today ?

 

[brogdale]

I remember arriving in Paris on a train in 86 while I was inter-railing, the Algerian GIA were letting off bombs all over the city, I quickly scarpered, the difference now is tolerance levels are much lower and the right in various forms is on the march.

wtf does that mean?

 

[treelover]

We will now see what Hollande is made of, how he responds will be crucial.

 

[8ball]

I was under the impression that to avenge implied more righteous retribution than mere 'payback'. Small point really, I suppose?

Their etymology is directly linked, though I see what you mean about the term 'avenge' being used with more righteous connotations. I suspect that is mostly down to popular culture.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

wonder if we will see another other bad news sneaked out today ?

Oldham have confirmed that they are signing Ched Evans...

 

[treelover]

wtf does that mean?

peoples acceptance is much lower and indeed levels of anxiety is much higher with terrorist acts, now there will be the hunt for scapegoats

is that Ok?

 

[maomao]

Why? They were screaming the prophets name as they executed these people.

Here's a link to the page with Gabi's racist nonsense on the Malaysia airlines thread last year just so no-one wastes any time listening to the shit he spews on this subject either:

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...eing-777-vanishes-without-trace.321482/page-4

 

[8ball]

What a truly fucked up religion. Kinda sick of hearing the excuses now.

Excuses for what?

 

[Lurdan]

She thought Charlie was a person, rather than a weekly magazine. Her Twitter feed then has her wriggling out, after being corrected, by saying she thought all the cartoons were by the same guy (she opines "it must be a man") as they have a similar style.

Some examples of the work of the four dead cartoonists at Comics Reporter illustrating just how similar they are...

http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/stephane_charbonnier_charb_rip/
http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/jean_cabut_cabu_rip/
http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/bernard_verlhac_tignous_rip/
http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/georges_wolinski_rip/

Fair to say they mostly weren't well known outside France however many of Georges Wolinski's cartoons from May '68 were widely reprinted at the time

 

[8ball]

But bloody, brutal, barbaric, inhuman? Definitely.

Bloody, brutal, highly educated and uniquely human is a better description.

Always has been.

 

[Mr Moose]

Why? They were screaming the prophets name as they executed these people.

True, but they also appear to all be blokes who like their guns if you are looking for the source of the problem.

 

[butchersapron]

Excuse suggests justify - can anyone point to the mass of muslims justifying this? Any not in the nutter sector already?