French magazine publishes controversial cartoons of Prophet Muhammad - many killed in revenge attack

[krtek a houby]

Thanks for that completely useless contribution, sergeant.

If half of your posts didn't consist of needlessly degrading and dehumanising people you would perhaps be able to comprehend the utterly despicable and perverse motivations of these (for the most part, well-educated and articulate) people.

Nothing more articulate than gunning people down in cold blood.

 

[hipipol]

Yes, we have a violent history but we didn't virtually wipe out a native population and we didn't directly import slaves and then torture, abuse and rape them etc etc. The mass of the British population were barely aware we had an empire nevermind the things we were getting up to with it.

Are you really as dense and smug as you appear?
"barely aware we had an empire" ???????? - fucking idiot

 

[purves grundy]

Just come late to the thread...so apols if already covered...but what are we make to of the escape tactic? Not a suicide mission, then?

Wouldn't be suprised if it ends with their death... could they really escape with this much surveillance going on? A delayed suicide mission, perhaps.

 

[hipipol]

Wouldn't be suprised if it ends with their death... could they really escape with this much surveillance going on? A delayed suicide mission, perhaps.

Madrid team eventually all dead but only after some time and many dead peeps

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Nothing more articulate than gunning people down in cold blood.

Fuck off. That wasn't my point and you know it.

 

[Zabo]

I can't believe how many British journalists and politicians are now waving the Freedom Of Speech flag in the same month when most of them have been silent or at least have closed off all public comments on the Andrew Windsor affair.

 

[brogdale]

The Telegraph's contribution to freedom of speech...

 

[Vintage Paw]

Those fuckwits definitely just made life a lot harder for Muslims in France, that's for sure.

That's what they want. Our first instinct might be to shout in exasperation "but you just made it worse for Muslims everywhere, you fucking idiots" but in reality a ramping up of tensions suits them perfectly. The more governments and public sentiment move to the right and the more attacks there are on Muslims as a result, the more they can justify to themselves their reason for existing and the more they can ratchet up their activity, their follower base, and their influence.

(I expect this has already been said, still reading the thread.)

 

[TopCat]

Fucking hell.

 

[brogdale]

Apparently this was the last tweet from the magazine before the attack...

 

[krink]

regarding the magazine, from what i can find on the net, the magazine did start as a left-ish magazine, the current director is a supporter of Israel and has been accused of being a neocon lover of Bush and Sharon

 

[danny la rouge]

No but the argument usually goes that the US has high rates of gun ownership ergo that is why they have so many gun related murders. If they knew every area in Paris how a local militia it would at least give idiots like this something to think about or (more likely) physically stop them in their tracks. They're still out and about with their guns in Paris, aren't they? Wonderful.

Oh, fuck off.

 

[Dexter Deadwood]

France24 live stream (english) france24.com/en/livefeed/

 

[brogdale]

Rushdie’s statement reads:

Religion, a medieval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today.

I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity.

‘Respect for religion’ has become a code phrase meaning ‘fear of religion’. Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect.

 

[Stay Beautiful]

Are you really as dense and smug as you appear?
"barely aware we had an empire" ???????? - fucking idiot

Yes, try some basic reading on British working class history. The vast majority wouldn't have been aware until the late 18th/early 19th century.

 

[D'wards]

My French friend just text me saying that four of the dead are well-known long-running satirists - France is in shock.

Her dad is a reader of Charlie Hedbo since she was small - she said she's seen loads of rude and provocative cartoons of the pope over the years. They are famously anti-religion.

However- they did not adhere to Alan Partridge's rule - “Never criticise Muslims. Only Christians, and Jews a little bit.”

 

[The Boy]

Yes, try some basic reading on British working class history. The vast majority wouldn't have been aware until the late 18th/early 19th century.

Maybe take it to another fucking thread, eh?

 

[butchersapron]

regarding the magazine, from what i can find on the net, the magazine did start as a left-ish magazine, the current director is a supporter of Israel and has been accused of being a neocon lover of Bush and Sharon

Like many of the more materially comfortable leftists it/they seems to have followed the clash of civilizations route post 911 - that's from a french comrade.

 

[danny la rouge]

I broadly agree with the sentiment, but he always gets it slightly wrong, doesn't he? Wrong enough to make you roll your eyes and think, "liberal twat, you should have stopped at x, y or z".

But he remains a symbol for freedom of speech, and in that he has my support. (I also like his books, and even if I didn't I'd still buy them).

 

[Diamond]

That's what they want. Our first instinct might be to shout in exasperation "but you just made it worse for Muslims everywhere, you fucking idiots" but in reality a ramping up of tensions suits them perfectly. The more governments and public sentiment move to the right and the more attacks there are on Muslims as a result, the more they can justify to themselves their reason for existing and the more they can ratchet up their activity, their follower base, and their influence.

(I expect this has already been said, still reading the thread.)

On one level, I agree with you but on another I find these arguments increasingly difficult to believe.

It's rational actor territory, which social psychology and behavioural economics has shown to be deeply unreliable.

Ostensibly these chaps believe in Allah, a monotheistic being that created everything in the most perfect manner.

The idea that they are also tightly and cynically strategic doesn't sit well with that, which is a good thing.

Honest question - was Machiavelli a devout Catholic?

 

[butchersapron]

Tell you what, if the attackers are intent on a spectacular and a spectacular death, esp if they have others waiting in the wings, then 5pm tonight at the Place de la République would be a pretty inviting target.

 

[phildwyer]

Stay Beautiful Does an armed citizenry have a stronger defence against terrorist attacks? The answer, patently, is no.

The answer, obviously, is 'yes.'

An armed citizenry also enjoys a stronger defence against tyranny and crime.

 

[tufty79]

Tell you what, if the attackers are intent on a spectacular and a spectacular death, esp if they have others waiting in the wings, then 5pm tonight at the Place de la République would be a pretty inviting target.

Yup.

 

[Yelkcub]

Tell you what, if the attackers are intent on a spectacular and a spectacular death, esp if they have others waiting in the wings, then 5pm tonight at the Place de la République would be a pretty inviting target.

Yeah, if they are still on loose/have others about, gathering en masse in a big open space seems unwise

 

[butchersapron]

On one level, I agree with you but on another I find these arguments increasingly difficult to believe.

It's rational actor territory, which social psychology and behavioural economics has shown to be deeply unreliable.

Ostensibly these chaps believe in Allah, a monotheistic being that created everything in the most perfect manner.

The idea that they are also tightly and cynically strategic doesn't sit well with that, which is a good thing.

Honest question - was Machiavelli a devout Catholic?

The logic of polarisation is writ through all these actions, do you really think that all the current ongoing conflicts involving radical islam are due to individual psychological pathologies that render them unable to act or plan collectively in order to achieve identified specific aims? If so, then you're pretty much on your own in that belief or understanding.

 

[brogdale]

Tell you what, if the attackers are intent on a spectacular and a spectacular death, esp if they have others waiting in the wings, then 5pm tonight at the Place de la République would be a pretty inviting target.

Yup.

unless they chanced upon a school

 

[Paulie]

I can't believe how many British journalists and politicians are now waving the Freedom Of Speech flag in the same month when most of them have been silent or at least have closed off all public comments on the Andrew Windsor affair.

The story of whether Andy is a nonce or merely a friend of known nonces will be bumped clean off any page now...

 

[phildwyer]

Honest question - was Machiavelli a devout Catholic?

Is the Pope Polish?

 

[danny la rouge]

Doesn't bare thinking about.

Eta in response to brogdale

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah, if they are still on loose/have others about, gathering en masse in a big open space seems unwise

Better than not gathering en masse. If I were in Paris today, I'd be heading down there.