French magazine publishes controversial cartoons of Prophet Muhammad - many killed in revenge attack

[hipipol]

this took some planning.....
For the three guy attack team there must be some support team or teams
I expect further killings over the next days

 

[Stay Beautiful]

Close up pic:

They came for business clearly.

Yeah, then we'd all be protected from being shot, like in America.....

Or any number of other European countries with liberal gun laws/high levels of ownership but where they aren't all pulling guns on each other? Switzerland? Czech Republic? Wouldn't that be the fairer comparison? The US has a different (and far more violent) history. Either way, this shows how well gun laws work, doesn't it? Idiots like this get hold of them whilst the masses don't.

 

[Sirena]

edited as i got that wrong.

The racist piece was written by the editor. A journalist who complained about the reference being racist was sacked....

ETA too late.....

 

[The Octagon]

Small point in the grand scheme of things, but I notice Sky News are happy to show (on repeat) the point blank shooting in the head of a person (with slight blurring), and talk about it like they're dissecting a film scene, but not once have they shown a single image / cartoon that this ostensibly stems from? Any other catalyst would have been broadcast non-stop

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Or any number of other European countries with liberal gun laws/high levels of ownership but where they aren't all pulling guns on each other? Switzerland? Czech Republic? Wouldn't that be the fairer comparison? The US has a different (and far more violent) history. Either way, this shows how well gun laws work, doesn't it? Idiots like this get hold of them whilst the masses don't.

Yep. Folk take their guns to the office in Switzerland.

 

[krink]

Sky are scum. I'd expect nothing less.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Idiots like this get hold of them

Idiots like that often get arms (and, as someone else pointed out, tactical operations training in eg hand signals) because of Western governments providing support to thugs over the years in the hope that they'll do their dirty work for them.

 

[Sirena]

Here's an interesting parallel. One which led to Mossad being kicked out of the UK...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naji_al-Ali

 

[brogdale]

I'm assuming the perpetrators are, as a by-product of their 'revenge' seeking to encourage more PEGIDA-style activity to sow discord.

 

[Plumdaff]

...or...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Stay Beautiful appeared to argue that an armed citizenry would make us safer in light of similar attacks. How is Switzerland relevant to considering that point?

ETA - In answer to your edit. Does an armed citizenry have a stronger defence against terrorist attacks? The answer, patently, is no.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

...or...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

I hate the idea of an armed populice but concede it doesn't have to be as murderous as you might think

Swiss journalists tend not to take their arsenal in to work with them though.

 

[Diamond]

Le Pen statement at 3.30GMT.

Hopefully it won't pour fuel on the fire but I doubt it.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Armed citizens br cause unless your going to spend a months wages on ammo every year your unlikely to hit the side of a barn in a crisis

Didn't know that! You live and learn!

 

[Cribynkle]

There is some sort of solidarity march being planned maybe tonight or tomorrow.

7 pm tonight at Place de la Republic apparently

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Or any number of other European countries with liberal gun laws/high levels of ownership but where they aren't all pulling guns on each other? Switzerland? Czech Republic? Wouldn't that be the fairer comparison? The US has a different (and far more violent) history. Either way, this shows how well gun laws work, doesn't it? Idiots like this get hold of them whilst the masses don't.

1) Like America, we have a violent history.
2) Like America, we have a media that can OTT with fear in stories.

Even if you disagreed with that, relaxed gun control laws in the UK, won't work out like Switzerland.

Watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine", really is an eye-opener.

 

[pesh]

7 pm tonight at Place de la Republic apparently

people already getting on with it

 

[Spymaster]

Watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine", really is an eye-opener.

Really?

Which bit?

 

[Stay Beautiful]

Yep. Folk take their guns to the office in Switzerland.

No but the argument usually goes that the US has high rates of gun ownership ergo that is why they have so many gun related murders. If they knew every area in Paris how a local militia it would at least give idiots like this something to think about or (more likely) physically stop them in their tracks. They're still out and about with their guns in Paris, aren't they? Wonderful.

 

[Patteran]

I've been thinking about the thread title, were the cartoons obscene, was this truly a revenge attack. Obscene means offensive or disgusting by accepted standards of morality and decency., I would have thought the attack was obscene and revange was not the true motive.

(It's a small detail in a large & horrible event, & I don't want to bicker about it or get distracted by it, but I agree with you about the use of 'obscene' and 'revenge' in the thread title - I don't think they're accurate.)

 

[mack]

this took some planning.....
For the three guy attack team there must be some support team or teams
I expect further killings over the next days

Seems like they were very cool and calculating and with an escape plan - I'd expect something else to happen sooner rather than later.

 

[Spymaster]

No but the argument usually goes that the US has high rates of gun ownership ergo that is why they have so many gun related murders. If they knew every area in Paris how a local militia it would at least give idiots like this something to think about or (more likely) physically stop them in their tracks. They're still out and about with their guns in Paris, aren't they? Wonderful.

If every journo in that office had guns in their bags they'd likely still have been shot when two armed turds broke in and shot the place up. They also shot 2 cops who were presumably also armed. Their guns didn't save them either.

 

[butchersapron]

Great - a gun debate and a suggestion mossad were behind it. Fantastic.

 

[brogdale]

Great - a gun debate and a suggestion mossad were behind it. Fantastic.

No dancing jooos yet?

 

[butchersapron]

No dancing jooos yet?

I'm sure someone will have spotted them - would be nice if we could keep off this thread though...

 

[Paulie]

There's this much repeated quote from Charlie Hebdo's editor: "A newspaper is not a weapon of war". The corporate media is very much a propaganda weapon of war. I'm not at all familiar with the magazine - was it genuinely above that shit? Not that even a DM journo deserves murder.

(and this isn't the time for a gun debate. I apologise for engaging in it.)

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No but the argument usually goes that the US has high rates of gun ownership ergo that is why they have so many gun related murders. If they knew every area in Paris how a local militia it would at least give idiots like this something to think about or (more likely) physically stop them in their tracks. They're still out and about with their guns in Paris, aren't they? Wonderful.

Just fuck off with your bullshit will you?

 

[Stay Beautiful]

1) Like America, we have a violent history.
2) Like America, we have a media that can OTT with fear in stories.

Even if you disagreed with that, relaxed gun control laws in the UK, won't work out like Switzerland.

Watch Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine", really is an eye-opener.

Yes, we have a violent history but we didn't virtually wipe out a native population and we didn't directly import slaves and then torture, abuse and rape them etc etc. The mass of the British population were barely aware we had an empire nevermind the things we were getting up to with it.

I'm not saying it would work out exactly like Swizerland but the logic of BFC, from what I remember, was that the higher the levels of gun ownership the worse the gun crime/murders. I distinctly remember the comparison was made with the UK and our number of murders v gun owners but there was no comparison with, lets say, Switzerland or the Czech Republic. Presumably because it didn't fit Moore's simplistic argument.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Fucking hell, what a knob.

 

[brogdale]

Just come late to the thread...so apols if already covered...but what are we make to of the escape tactic? Not a suicide mission, then?

 

[hipipol]

Great - a gun debate and a suggestion mossad were behind it. Fantastic.

Classic Urban pet moans surfacing bollocks
French journos, prob even more alky than their brit counterparts, are not a group I'd like to see tooled up any time soon