Filth by name. . .

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Sorry about your dad sim667, you'd hope that if someone is acting like they're drunk but there's no alcohol odour , they'd think maybe it's something else?

Atrocious behaviour from the police.

 

[InArduisFouette]

They also shouldn't be allowed to resign ahead of a misconduct hearing.

why ?

also bear in mind if they resign they are off the payroll from the point of resignation , therefore not being paid, and accuring further pension and holiday entitlemensts while suspended on full basic pay for their grade + service ; and if the finding of the panel was sufficient to get them dismissed or placed in some form of individual special measures had they not resigned they are going to get put on the Barred list

Barred list | College of Policing

The College of Policing was established in 2012 as the professional body for those working in policing in England & Wales. The College's purpose is to provide the skills and knowledge necessary to prevent crime, protect the public and secure public trust.

www.college.police.uk

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5ef5f526d3bf7f7699160daf/Frequently_Asked_Questions_on_the_Barred_and_Advisory_Lists.pdf

that said there seems to be a very restricted set of circumstances where someone can be placed o nthe barred list compared to the ways in which professionals such as health professionals, Lawyers etc can be professionally disciplined and snactioned

 

[Puddy_Tat]

is the police 'barred list' a relatively recent thing?

i don't remember hearing about it much until the last few years.

is it new-ish, or was it secret, or just rarely used?

 

[InArduisFouette]

Sorry about your dad sim667, you'd hope that if someone is acting like they're drunk but there's no alcohol odour , they'd think maybe it's something else?

Atrocious behaviour from the police.

indeed, however the standards of first aid training within the police are appallingly low aside from those who set out to get training off their own bat or are working as partof 'high threat environment' teams who get FREC 3 or similar ( Automated efib, oxygen + suction , clinical obs taking (NEWS score and hopefully blood sugar) and co basic splintage / controlling Catastrophic haemorhage...

the average, often very young in serivce, bobby on the beat has very little clue and virtually no training

 

[InArduisFouette]

is the police 'barred list' a relatively recent thing?

i don't remember hearing about it much until the last few years.

is it new-ish, or was it secret, or just rarely used?

i think it's relatively recent as a stand alone thing , as you can see it forllows the model of Healthprofessional / Lawyer type regulatory bodies and their 'strike off' procedures. but so , in the grand scheme of things is the move from ACPO to College of Policing for a lot of the strategy stuff

 

[Lurdan]

The current Barred List and Advisory List regime was introduced by a statutory instrument, which came into effect in December 2017 and enacted provisions in the Policing and Crime Act 2017. It replaced the previous arrangements after 2013 whereby the College of Policing maintained a 'Disapproved Register' which wasn't publicly accessible and issued monitoring reports. (archived example PDF)

Police Forces are now required to supply information about officers sacked for gross misconduct, gross incompetence or unsatisfactory performance or attendance, to the College of Policing. The College maintains a national register of them. (Initially this was an online spreadsheet which was quite handy for getting their names and looking them up online. This was replaced with a search engine so you now have to know the name in order to look them up). They are generally listed on the publicly accessible part of the list for five years (there are some exceptions) but still remain on the list after that.

There is also an Advisory list which includes the details of officers who were under investigation for matters which might have lead to them being sacked, but who resign or retire. If disciplinary proceedings subsequently conclude that they would have been sacked they are added to the Barred List. Otherwise they are removed from the Advisory list. This list isn't publicly accessible.

Police Forces are required to check potential recruits against these lists. They may not employ people on the Barred list and must take account of them being on the Advisory list.

More details in section 30 of the explanatory notes to the 2017 act (PDF). There is also a Home Office FAQ (PDF). And for the real headbangers there is the Home Office Statutory Guidance on Professional Standards, Performance and Integrity in Policing (PDF).

So in theory it should be difficult for sacked filth to just move onto another Police Force in the way they used to. And, unless they are able to find some other means of monetizing their skills and/or any information they take with them, they could be cruelly forced to get jobs in the ever expanding private security industry.

 

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Was the movement between for es tightened after Couzens? Because didn't he move from the nuclear protectorate police or whatever they're called to the Met, but there were outstanding issues?

I may be misremembering, my brain has been misfiring all day.

 

[GarveyLives]

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A serving Metropolitan Police officer has now been charged with assault after an investigation into the arrest of a woman on suspicion of evading a bus fare in south London.

PC Perry Lathwood, who is attached to the Metropolitan Police’s Road Traffic Policing Command, will appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on 14 February 2024 charged with assault by beating in relation to bruising injuries caused to the woman’s arm during the incident on 21 July 2023 in Whitehorse Road, Croydon, in scenes alarmingly reminiscent of the 1977 classic US TV mini-series "Roots".

The charge follows an investigation by the Independent Office for Police Conduct ("IOPC") which concluded in December 2023.

The woman was later de-arrested when it was confirmed that she had paid the fare.

The IOPC launched an investigation in August 2023 shortly after footage of the incident was widely circulated online.

Footage of the incident showed the woman being held by two male officers, while her child could be heard crying in the background.

Police said she had refused to show her ticket to inspectors, a community support officer and constables and "continued to try to walk away".

One can only speculate what might have happened to the woman concerned if members of the public had not been on hand to capture the incident on film.

PC Perry Lathwood, of Normans Bay, East Sussex, who is attached to the Metropolitan Police's Road Traffic Policing Command, has now pleaded not guilty to a charge of assault by beating in relation to a woman who was wrongly arrested for bus fare evasion in front of her young son Whitehorse Road, Croydon, in scenes alarmingly reminiscent of the 1977 classic US TV mini-series "Roots", on 21 July 2023.

The trial of PC Perry Lathwood will take place at City of London Magistrates' Court on 10 May 2024.

 

[Lurdan]

Was the movement between for es tightened after Couzens? Because didn't he move from the nuclear protectorate police or whatever they're called to the Met, but there were outstanding issues?

I may be misremembering, my brain has been misfiring all day.

As I understand it he had been reported for indecent exposure in 2015 while he was with the Civil Nuclear Constabulary. He moved to the Met in 2018, so after the new Barred List and Advisory List arrangements had been introduced. In theory he should have been on the Advisory list. And in theory recruitment checks should have picked the allegation up. Reportedly the Met were desperate to recruit officers with firearms training. The Angiolini Inquiry into Couzens is due to publish it's part 1 report this year and these will be among the multiple issues looked at.

 

[equationgirl]

As I understand it he had been reported for indecent exposure in 2015 while he was with the Civil Nuclear Constabulary. He moved to the Met in 2018, so after the new Barred List and Advisory List arrangements had been introduced. In theory he should have been on the Advisory list. And in theory recruitment checks should have picked the allegation up. Reportedly the Met were desperate to recruit officers with firearms training. The Angiolini Inquiry into Couzens is due to publish it's part 1 report this year and these will be among the multiple issues looked at.

Thanks Lurdan appreciate that. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for the report.

 

[GarveyLives]

This afternoon, Detective Superintendent Carly Humphreys, Head of Professional Standards Department at the City of London Police, announced as follows:

“A serving City of London Police officer Sgt Constandino Simeonidis, 53, from Milton Keynes, has been charged with one count of sexual touching by penetration and one count of sexual touching, following an incident on 9 December 2022.

“(Sgt Constandino) Simeonidis was arrested on 8 March 2023. The officer was immediately suspended following his arrest.”

No information has been disclosed regarding the amount of time that has elapsed between arrest and charge, or any resulting court appearance.

 

[GarveyLives]

Scrumpy Jack has a lot to answer for.

Following his taste of prison-administered street justice, and a pension forfeiture application by the London Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime to the Home Office, former Metropolitan Police gunman and serial rapist PC David Carrick will lose 65% of his state-funded pension, estimated to be more than £10,000 a year, which was contributed by the Metropolitan Police.

If and when former PC David Carrick, who is currently serving 36 life sentences, is released from prison he will still receive 35% of the pension, which was his own contribution.

(Source: as stated in image)​

David Carrick: Rapist PC stripped of full state-funded pension

 

[equationgirl]

Practically I think it's unlikely he'll ever be released and therefore never in receipt of his pension. I don't know if you can nominate someone else to receive your pension if you're not dead, which if possible I suppose he could do?

 

[equationgirl]

Dp

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Practically I think it's unlikely he'll ever be released and therefore never in receipt of his pension. I don't know if you can nominate someone else to receive your pension if you're not dead, which if possible I suppose he could do?

Most public sector pension schemes have some provision for a surviving partner's pension, and you can usually nominate who gets any lump sum if you die, but i've not heard of anything like that.

subject to the disclaimer that i don't know anything about the police pension scheme, and being single, i've never paid much attention to the rules about what a partner might get.

i suppose under the rules of the pension scheme, he'd be entitled to that pension when he reaches whatever the retirement age is, but don't know if there's a rule about getting that money if you're inside. i don't know if prisoners are entitled to receive state pension if they pass retirement age while they are inside, or whether it's forfeited, or they get a back payment when they come out. i think it is possible for friends / family to send money to someone who's in prison, but think there are limits.

 

[equationgirl]

Me neither Puddy_Tat being long-term single, I know there's a beneficiary form that can be used to indicate intentions, and I know that the police can't take back his contributions, only theirs. I suppose one would just have to take the money out of the scheme when they were allowed to.

Apologies for the tangent.

 

[Elpenor]

Puddy_Tat equationgirl tagging you to save quoting on my phone

More information than any person could possibly want on the rules regarding forfeiting pensions at this link:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/617188348fa8f5298406230a/Pension_Forfeiture_guidance.pdf#page7

I only skim read this link myself and am not really qualified to explain what it actually means in forensic detail but there’s reference to a maximum forfeiture rate of 65% (presumably of both any lump sum plus the amount paid each month) due to “case law”.

Interestingly I noted that the survivor pension can also be forfeited if the survivor is convicted of a qualifying offence.

Other point to mention is that unless the individual is already at a point where they can take their pension benefits (for example they’re aged over 55 or whatever the age is as per scheme rules or have 30 years pensionable service) then I am pretty sure they won’t be able to take their benefits until they reach state pension age.

State pension will not be paid when in prison. I am pretty sure all state benefits cease when in prison, one of the reasons to stop maternity / SSP is the employee is taken into legal custody. I am yet to encounter an example of that in real life but it was always a good answer to put down when I did my payroll exams.

 

[GarveyLives]

43 people who are employed by the police in a civilian capacity were found guilty of crimes in the year to April 2023, in addition to which ...

115 police officers found guilty of criminal charges in the year to April 2023

 

[equationgirl]

Thanks Elpenor I appreciate the extra information.

 

[equationgirl]

It seems some police have learned nothing over the past few years

Police shared graphic details of Nottingham attack victims on WhatsApp

Families of those killed express alarm at ‘unforgivable’ message for which two officers were disciplined

www.theguardian.com

 

[GarveyLives]

Two police officers have been disciplined over a WhatsApp message, described as "crude and distasteful", related to the Nottingham attacks of 13 June 2023.

PC Matthew Gell was found guilty of gross misconduct in January after he was found to have forwarded a “distasteful” message about the injuries suffered by the victims to his wife and a friend.
PC Matthew Gell has received a final warning.

The as yet unnamed police officer who initiated the message was subjected to informal disciplinary action and required to undergo 'extra learning.'

Nottingham triple-killing families 'sickened' by cops sharing gruesome details of attacks over WhatsApp

 

[equationgirl]

GarveyLives from the 'to catch a copper' programme, 'extra learning ' can be as little as talking through the event with their supervisor and reflecting on what could have been done differently.

 

[mx wcfc]

Two police officers have been disciplined over a WhatsApp message, described as "crude and distasteful", related to the Nottingham attacks of 13 June 2023.

PC Matthew Gell was found guilty of gross misconduct in January after he was found to have forwarded a “distasteful” message about the injuries suffered by the victims to his wife and a friend.
PC Matthew Gell has received a final warning.

The as yet unnamed police officer who initiated the message was subjected to informal disciplinary action and required to undergo 'extra learning.'

Nottingham triple-killing families 'sickened' by cops sharing gruesome details of attacks over WhatsApp

It's got to something when even the DM think our police are scum.

 

[GarveyLives]

Shocking ... but is anyone shocked?:

A senior female Asian Metropolitan Police whistleblower has told Byline Times that allegations of violence, sexual assault, and even rape made by her female colleagues against serving officers went ignored ..."

Metropolitan Police Ignored Serious Sexual Allegations Against Male Officers – Whistleblower

 

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I am not shocked but I am angry for her..

 

[Lurdan]

Here's an example of an entry on the College of Policing Barred List
Barred list details - College of Policing
ETA: oops link didn't work - I've replaced it with an archived copy of the page.

This one is about former Lancashire Chief Inspector Steven Robert Sansbury.

At a Misconduct Hearing last week:

It was alleged that Former Chief Inspector 466 Sansbury was charged with the offence of making an indecent image of a child contrary to S1(1) a, and 6 of the Protection of Children Act 1978 and pled guilty to the offence. The Chair found the conduct breached the Standards of Professional Behaviour, namely Discreditable Conduct and amounted to Gross Misconduct. Had he still have been serving, Former Chief Inspector 466 Sansbury would have been dismissed and his details will now be included on the barred list.

Archived copy of the notice on Lancashire's website

This all began in 2021 when

(...) his detached home in Blackburn was searched as part of an unspecified and unrelated investigation in January 2021, a laptop and external hard drive were seized. They were found to contain seven indecent images featuring children aged 13-15 classed as category B – the second most serious classification – and three showing children aged between eight and 15 which were classed as category C. The images had been downloaded in 2009 and saved in a computer folder.

He was suspended from his £62,000-a-year job but retired on his full pension before the case had gone to court or misconduct proceedings had been brought against him.

He pleaded guilty to two counts of making indecent images of children last October, and in November was given a community order with 80 hours of unpaid work and required to sign the sex offenders register for five years. Quotes are from an archived Mail article:

Police chief who retired while under investigation for possessing indecent images of boys as young as eight is spared jail after judge said 'shame' of admitting his crimes was 'significant punishment' - Daily Mail Online (archived)

Here he is in happier times giving us an eyeful of his unfeasibly large chopper

 

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Mitchell had six allegations against him of rape of a teenager, which were investigated and dropped, prior to his joining the Met. He's now been convicted of abducting and raping another victim.

DAC Stuart Cundy said:

Mitchell not only carried out a sustained campaign of abuse against both of his victims, but he told one of them she would never be believed due to the fact he was a police officer. This brazen abuse of power makes Mitchell’s actions all the more deplorable.

“I know this is another case which will impact the confidence people have in us. We are doing more than we have done in decades to rid the Met of those who corrupt our integrity, including investing millions of pounds into our professional standards team and bringing in additional officers and staff with specialist skills and experience to investigate criminality and misconduct.”

How rapist cop who was recruited to the Met after a failed investigation went on to attack women at knifepoint

A rapist police officer was welcomed into the Met despite being investigated for six counts of rape against a teenager, four years earlier.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[GarveyLives]

See:

Cliff Mitchell: Metropolitan Police officer taunted woman he raped, court told

Ex-cop accused of raping woman at knifepoint told her it was planned, court hears

Cliff Mitchell: Rape victim told 999 'he's going to kill us'

The trial continues at Croydon Court Court.

Former Metropolitan Police officer, PC Clifford Mitchell - a member of their Area Basic Command Unit and who was serving in Hounslow when a number of the offences below were committed - and serial rapist who once told one of his victims that they had "met the devil" while he kidnapped her has been now been convicted of 13 counts of rape - six years after an investigation into counts of rape against a child in 2017 which resulted in no further action.

In total, former PC Clifford Mitchell was found guilty of 10 counts of rape, three counts of the rape of a child under 13, one count of kidnap and breach of a non-molestation order following a trial at Croydon Crown Court:

How rapist cop who was recruited to the Metropolitan Police after a failed investigation went on to attack women at knifepoint

(Source: Metropolitan Police)

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy:

“I know this is another case which will impact the confidence people have in us. We are doing more than we have done in decades to rid the Met of those who corrupt our integrity, including investing millions of pounds into our professional standards team and bringing in additional officers and staff with specialist skills and experience to investigate criminality and misconduct.”

 

[equationgirl]

West Yorkshire Police accused of failing to help women who asked for help:

Police force 'failed' women who were killed

West Yorkshire Police has been accused of letting down women who were killed despite seeking its help

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[GarveyLives]

A former Essex Police officer charged with three offences following an internal investigation is due to appear at Chelmsford Magistrates’ Court tomorrow.

Former PC Russell Hinkins of Haverhill, Suffolk was initially arrested in August 2022, and has been charged with misconduct in a public office, securing unauthorised access to material and disclosing information without consent.

Former PC Russell Hinkins previously made the headlines in 2018, when it came to light that he had sent nude pictures of himself to women on a dating site, Plenty of Fish, and even promised he would bring his handcuffs when agreeing to meet a stranger for sex, and also took photos of himself in his uniform and in his police vehicle.

At the time, Essex Police said: “Officers are expected to be extremely careful in their use of social media.”

Former PC Russell Hinkins said: “I deeply regret this situation and any embarrassment I may have caused Essex Police.”

On 6 February 2024, former PC Russell Hinkins, of Sperling Drive, Haverhill, Suffolk, appeared at Chelmsford Crown Court after an investigation by Essex Police's Counter Corruption Unit where he pleaded guilty to misconduct in a public office, securing unauthorised access to material, and disclosing information without consent, after using his mobile phone to take photographs of the dead body of a mother who had committed suicide and then sharing them with his ex-partner.

The partner of the deceased woman has told the press the following:

'In May 2020, my partner took her life, I found her, rang emergency services and whilst getting grilled in my own kitchen in my house by the police,' ...

'It turns out that the other one is upstairs taking photos on his own phone of my dead partner and he's decided to share them. I didn't find this out until December 2022.

'He wasn't ex-police at the time. He was on an emergency call to me and found my partner hanging, and then you deal with that. I didn't find out from the corruption people until two years down the line.

(Former PC Russell Hinkins) resigned in March 2023, my partner was found in 2020. So he's carried on for three years with a lovely fat salary after what he did. He was only in my house because he was helping my family in our desperate time of need.

'I had four police grilling me in my kitchen, because they have to do that in case I had done it. How do I know he didn't take more pictures? The police said he didn't do that, but how do you know?

'I've been trying to deal with my partner's death and then you get that put on you. When you call someone in need you don't expect them to do that.

'I was just in shock. How can someone do that in that situation; I was there, my boy was there. My partner was dead on the floor, they come in your house and they do that. I don't understand the mentality of those people, using his power [like that].'

​

In 2018, as part of a misconduct inquiry, Essex Police's professional standards team investigated messages sent by former PC Russell Hinkins on dating apps, including pictures of him in his police uniform, and a messsage to one would-be date which stated: "Yes I’m a policeman I may have to place u under arrest and cuff u up and interrogate u."

Former PC Russell Hinkins also took photos of himself in his police car and when he was working in his uniform, and even said he would bring his handcuffs when he met someone new for sex in a flat above a restaurant. When off-duty, he sent pictures without clothes to women he talked to on the website Plenty of Fish.

On 3 February 2018, former PC Russell Hinkins told the press: "I deeply regret this situation and any embarrassment I may have caused Essex Police."

PC Russell Hinkins remained as an Essex Police officer until he resigned in March 2023, and now awaits sentence on a date yet to be confirmed. He will also face an Essex Police misconduct process, notwithstanding his resignation.