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pseudonarcissus said:
Is the Police Federation still a thing? If so, they have been eerily silent for a while; not putting a spokesperson up to defend the occasional bad egg.
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they did have someone talking to one of the presenters on radio london a week or three ago. i can't remember the detail.
 
In previous organisations, particularly egregious employees not being appropriately managed was always a cause of extreme frustration and team low morale, so I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been on occasion trying and failing to get rid of certain police officers.

That said, giving up and saying 'oh well we're stuck with them' and shunting them into a forgotten corner (the evidence room I suspect) is not the way forwards.

The Police Federation cannot continue to shield officers if that's what has been going on.
 
Police have record £12m legal fund for officers accused of crimes - openDemocracy

The 2023 legal budget of the Police Federation, obtained under FOI, is roughly 25% more than the amount it spent on legal fees in 2018 (£9,403,200), and is the highest figure since it started tracking its legal spending in 2017. While the federation did not provide a complete breakdown of how that money is spent, it can be used to deal with the hundreds of claims for legal support it receives from officers accused of crimes, including sexual offences. Last year the budget was £11.3m and there were 1,387 claims for assistance related to criminal allegations against officers.
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krtek a houby said:
Not just in the UK, but yeah. Black, brown - women of colour etc. Would not be in favour of the term "non white", personally.
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Sorry, my brain doesn't do words so well because of covid so I couldn't think of the best word to use. I started with minority but that felt wrong too.

I'd argue in favour of all stop and search activities being suspended for the time being - if 76% of them don't go anywhere why are the police carrying them out in the first place? An intimidation tactic? Power trip? Incompetence,? Barely legal justification for assaults?
 
I don't think it's a shock to anyone on this thread that an institution corroded by racism enacts racist policies against people targeted out of racist bias.
 
equationgirl said:
Sorry, my brain doesn't do words so well because of covid so I couldn't think of the nest word to use. I started with minority but that felt wrong too.

I'd argue in favour of all stop and search activities being suspended for the time being - if 76% of them don't go anywhere why are the police carrying them out in the first place? An intimidation tactic? Power trip? Incompetence,? Barely legal justification for assaults?
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The stop and search is a winner with the hardcore Tory voters, or at least the types have interacted with over the years. But it makes little sense and does appear to be intimidating tactics, and boosting up the cops arrest rates in case someone is tooled up etc.
 
equationgirl said:
Already posted but does contain more detail around the burial documents and that SYP threatened Christopher Alder's sister with imprisonment if she told anybody that they were lying.
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The icing on the cake is the free trips to Australia for the detectives and the use of the body. This was clearly a running "joke" for the force for almost a generation. Sickening.
 
bluescreen said:
Suspended sentence ffs! The effect on his family is caused by his action, not any penalty. What good is it going to do them having this ex-filth hanging around at home looking for a job, any job, and coming home from any job or no job resentful?
It takes a lot to get a stalking charge to stick.
Judge would have been doing them a favour by sending him down.

If his partner was actually pleading not to send him down (not reported) one might wonder at the degree of duress she was under.

Judiciary with its patriarchal attitudes really needs looking into.
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200 hours unpaid work and 25 days rehabilitation is a strong sentence. I'm not sure bunging him in a cell would be any more effective.
 
kenny g said:
200 hours unpaid work and 25 days rehabilitation is a strong sentence. I'm not sure bunging him in a cell would be any more effective.
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His sentence is light compared to the psychological terror he caused. Why should he still have his liberty when the person he stalked will be haunted by it (even PTSD) for years to come.

I was stalked nearly 30 years ago. Thankfully it didn't last very long but the effects of it left me shaken for a really long time. Even now, thinking back to the event that terrorised me the most is triggering.

200 unpaid hours of work and 25 days of rehab won't change a damn thing. It's a slap in the face for those affected.
 
It's taken a long time for stalking to be recognised as a criminal offence, it certainly wasn't when it happened to me. So stop minimising the offence kenny g stalking has long been recognised as a crime that can lead to more serious offences such as sexual assault, rape and even murder. Giving a sentence of 200 hours unpaid work and 25 days of rehab that can be completed in what, 6 months? A year at most? How does that deter this man from doing it again?
 
equationgirl said:
It's taken a long time for stalking to be recognised as a criminal offence, it certainly wasn't when it happened to me. So stop minimising the offence kenny g stalking has long been recognised as a crime that can lead to more serious offences such as sexual assault, rape and even murder. Giving a sentence of 200 hours unpaid work and 25 days of rehab that can be completed in what, 6 months? A year at most? How does that deter this man from doing it again?
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I haven't minimised the offence. 200 hours is a lot of unpaid work, equivalent to five full time weeks. 25 days rehab is also significant.

Really difficult to have more of an opinion without knowing more facts of the case. The sentencing guidelines for these types of offence do reflect their potential seriousness and the trauma they can create:

Harassment and stalking – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk
 
kenny g said:
I haven't minimised the offence. 200 hours is a lot of unpaid work, equivalent to five full time weeks. 25 days rehab is also significant.

Really difficult to have more of an opinion without knowing more facts of the case. The sentencing guidelines for these types of offence do reflect their potential seriousness and the trauma they can create:

Harassment and stalking – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk
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You didn't answer my question - how does that sentence deter him from doing it again?
 
In stalking cases it makes no fucking sense because stalking takes so much work anyway, so it's not going to feel like a fucking deterrent it's just another part of the process of commiting the fecking crime. The equivalent of fining rich people for parking on double yellow lines
 
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