Feminism - where are the threads?
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Steel Icarus
we move
That's not my point. Suspect you know it, too.
mostly ignored as it is substanceless shouty drivel
mango5
Endeavour era
You do seem to like a lot of posts illustrating women's failure to live up to an idealised standard of universal sisterhood.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if the best support you can offer to santino's claims of my hostility are posts you don't like that i've liked then the entire flim-flam house of cards hostility nonsense collapses.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh and i see you, someone who'll be all hail and well met in person but who'll be quite different on the boards for no reason i can tell - certainly i've said nothing in any of my posts on any of the feminism threads to warrant the beef you seem to have cooked up. there's a song by the wolfe tones, 'quare things in dublin' which ends with the injunction never trust someone who has more than one face. and you certainly seem to.No worries, we see you
mango5
Endeavour era
I saw your niftily edited post about my nice parties back in 2004/5 and how disappointed you are that I haven't lived up to my IRL friendly presence on these threads. Get over it sunshine, move with the times.
eta in the context of these threads, are you really surprised that a woman might be less emollient and more likely to engage in an argument online than in a face-to-face social situation?
eta in the context of these threads, are you really surprised that a woman might be less emollient and more likely to engage in an argument online than in a face-to-face social situation?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
go on then, let's have some argument rather than the dishonest goalpost-shifting bollocks you've been serving up.I saw your niftily edited post about my nice parties back in 2004/5 and how disappointed you are that I haven't lived up to my IRL friendly presence on these threads. Get over it sunshine, move with the times.
eta in the context of these threads, are you really surprised that a woman might be less emollient and more likely to engage in an argument online than in a face-to-face social situation?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
don't believe everything you hear. i hadn't a bad thing to say about mango5, our paths rarely crossed, until she started pursuing some strange beef with me on the design thread for reasons i don't know and which have nothing obvious to do with the cut and thrust of debate. have a look at it, and then perhaps you might see my pov.
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If it were the other way round, he’d long since have been confined to solitary
JudithB
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PS In your dreams
JudithB
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And just to clarify for those who picked up on my name. I think Judith Butler and Queer Theory is a load of incomprehensible (for a reason) bollox. I am happy to defend this position as I am happy to defend my trans sisters and brothers.
However, I have spent my life defending and protecting women and nothing will stop me standing up for the female of our species. So if certain rights are perceived as wants that females currently have, I will interrogate. If this winds people up, so be it.
Now let's talk about sex...the female sex...baby
However, I have spent my life defending and protecting women and nothing will stop me standing up for the female of our species. So if certain rights are perceived as wants that females currently have, I will interrogate. If this winds people up, so be it.
Now let's talk about sex...the female sex...baby
Treacle Toes
Time
That's it isn't it? Deep nonsense/delusion. 
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JudithB
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Just total absolute pseudo intellectual bollocks. Follow queer theory to it's conclusion and everyone is queered no matter their sex, ability, age. FFS. Get a grip world and read some DworkinThat's it isn't it? Deep nonsense/delusion.
JudithB
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You had me at hello
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TRUEFACT
My mum told me off to singing this to my brother because she thought I had learnt it from my dad/schoolmates. My dad was an abusive sexist arsehole, and my schoolmates were being brought upin the neolib class counciousless era of the late 80s.
My mum was brought up in communist Hungary.
I was told off from singing this song, because my mum never believed it was an actual song. She thought I was singing about sex - the action - which she thought I'd got from my dad's pornomags. At 10 years old! How liberating.
Truth is my dad used to leave those mags ready to find from a much younger age.
Then, one day, my aunt and I listened to the song in Hungary 6 months later (it just came on the radio), driving to my cousins, and I was vindicated. Clearly, the song existed rather than me making it up to wind my little brother up. I wasn't a prervy 10 year old anymore... I was a young girl listening and understanding the critique of sex based realities.
It's one of the only times my mum "let me off" and the only time my dad got pissed off for his sexism being scuppered.
My mum was like "ahh sex... Not sex" (reproductive capacity and political meaning thereof not just banging each other and playboy masculinity and femininity)
And my dad was like "ahh... Fuck"
Fuck my dad. He is an arsehole.
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Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Yes, as if socialisation and classification and expectation are detrimental impositions by society, culture and power upon individuals and groups and the conflict between our understanding of ourselves and the expectation of what we should be (fueled by denying it in the face of an overwhelming and oppressive expectation and policing of these expectations) causes immense personal, social and cultural problems.
Oh, no thanks.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
That's unfair. It wasn't JudithB returning that changed the tone of this thread, it was certain people baiting her with cross-thread beef. I don't think JudithB's response was the best, TBH, but it was a response, not the cause of the change.
polly
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I don't think I said she was solely responsible. Obviously she's partly responsible but that wasn't my point in the post you quoted. I was trying to say that it isn't at all true that we can't talk about feminism without talking about trans people, as some were claiming (this is a very effective silencing device by the way). (And the joke is that I wasn't even trying to at the time but she wilfully ignored what I was trying to say.) As evidenced by the fact that we have been doing so since all these threads were started. She came back, it's a matter for debate whether she was baited or not (dunno why everyone is painting her as a victim, wasn't my take on it, but whatever) and now here we are.
I was enjoying the threads until now - I thought we'd done quite a good job of being civil on the whole, despite our differences on lots of things - but now it's become really unpleasant and hostile, and all the potential for interesting conversation seems to be over. So I don't think I'm going to post on this thread any more.
Love you, obviously, Sam and I'll see you elsewhere.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Agreed about the general ongoing civility. I don't think any one person is the bad guy here.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
You baited her but it seems like there were other people too, some of whom I have on ignore (I know it's cowardly but we all choose our battles), so I don't know who they were, plus other people added on. If I'd just meant you I'd have named you. Saying certain people for one person is really fucking snide and if it seemed like that, it wasn't meant that way.
ElizabethofYork
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