Slow hand clap for Judy here. You've done exactly as predicted.
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Sign up here as a fresh new feminist member
Yes I did
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Start a load of feminist threads- what did we do without you dear?
I only started one in the first instance which spawned a couple more. Granted I did then start a couple more threads. This was for selfish reasons as I had lost track of the other threads and wanted to join in.
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Make sure to only lightly imply your gc position at first, gotta get your feet under the table for a bit first.
I don’t think I implied my position at all. It was never my intention to tell anyone as I never know where it is safe to do so. When you have been threatened with being doxxed you learn to keep your head down.
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Bide your time watching women ernestly open up their pain and trauma
I regret that my work schedule changed and meant I did not have the time to fully engage in the initial threads. It was difficult to catch up when I had the time again.
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Don't share anything much of your own of course
Again my work schedule meant I could not fully engage. I was also aware of my status as a noob and was becoming aware of how long everyone here has known one another. It was a little intimidating.
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Make a point of engaging briefly for a few posts in a thread about trans issues before storming back to the safety of the now many feminist threads here - those people are awful waah! I can't engage with them! They are incapable of an intellectual discussion! I just have 'concerns'
I got baited into the thread in question. I made the mistake of returning on another thread when I will admit I was feeling very cross. It gets infuriating, on both sides, to keep repeating what one has been saying again and again. Especially after years of hearing No Debate.
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And finally feel so cosy here cos you've gauged that a proportion of women here who have shared their stories of abuse by men will have concerns about women's spaces.
I do not feel cosy here yet. What I have gauged is that this is not the forum to discuss these issues.
Do women who have been abused by men not have the right to be concerned about women’s spaces?
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Use that knowledge to turn fear into phobia. Stoke those fears, enlist more members to your rebranded cause - oh no we're not terfs- that's a slur dontcha know. We are calling ourselves gc feminists now which is much more palatable. We can talk about gc feminism in a fucking Costa, in playgrounds, in book clubs, in toddler groups- we can even talk about it at work now! and we can slip it into literally any thread on feminism. Lucky we've started so many.
If you are confident with your position why does it matter where women are discussing the issues? No one is debating trans people’s right to exist or the rights they currently have.
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Trans women are misogynistic abusive men' is your rallying cry isnt it Judy?
No I do not think transwomen will abuse women. I think self-ID will open the door to abusers if there is no safeguarding. Filling in a piece of paper is not safeguarding. More importantly it disallows women and girls challenging people they think could be in the wrong place for the wrong reasons. This will not happen today or tomorrow but it will happen in the future. This is not about transwomen it is about abusers who will take advantage.
Trans women are threatening lesbians (implying they're potential rapists)
No implication that they are rapists. There is an attempt at coercing young lesbians. The cotton ceiling exists as a phrase for a reason.
Theyre transing our kids arent they Judith? (Wont somebody think of the children)
I think we do need to think of the children. A 4000% rise in girls wanting to transition should be investigated. In America very young girls are having irreversible surgeries. There are a growing number of detransitioners, see
Pique Resilience Project and GNC Centric on youtube. These girls (and some boys) are calling for support from Stonewall and other LGBT+ organisations who are ignoring them.
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Feet firmly under table with someone else making you a cuppa you drop a link that completely reveals the cesspits of the internet you usually hang out in. Drop it casually on your first feminist thread where you were oh so innocently enquiring where to find the feminists around here.
I am sorry you think some people I know are from the cesspit of the internet. I personally think they are very intelligent women. I know quite a few trans women too who are also GC.
Anyone who disagrees gets told to change the subject to the more relevant thread posts by women engaging in the original thread subject. Oh don't worry about that link, it's just satire daahling.
After last week I made a decision not to get into anymore arguments about it. I have been informed how many times this subject ends up going nowhere. I am now also aware of how many friendships this subject has fractured. I do not want to add to that. There was an intention to inform people if they were interested of quite how long this has been going on. People are often under the impression that this discussion started (or didn't) a year or so ago. In fact it has been going on for much longer but nobody knew it was happening. EG Scottish women were unaware there had been a consultation on the GRA in Scotland. They only found out about it when they saw English women asking to be consulted.
I see you Judy, your agenda was clear from the start. I see your frothing mouth and bulging evangelical eyes. You've brought mumsnet's accepted, tolerated transphobia here and redecorated this place haven't you?
I have never posted on mumsnet
You gonna be knocking on people's doors like Jehovah's witnesses soon? Or is that next year's agenda?
This was not my intention. But whether I do or do not should not worry anyone if they are confident with their position.
You could start another thread about any of the topics you mention. But we both know how it will end. Is it worth anyone's time, energy and most importantly the friendships to go over it all again?
