Feminism - where are the threads?

[Clair De Lune]

And just to clarify for those who picked up on my name. I think Judith Butler and Queer Theory is a load of incomprehensible (for a reason) bollox. I am happy to defend this position as I am happy to defend my trans sisters and brothers.



Now let's talk about sex...the female sex...baby

What made you choose it then?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Just total absolute pseudo intellectual bollocks. Follow queer theory to it's conclusion and everyone is queered no matter their sex, ability, age. FFS. Get a grip world and read some Dworkin

My fault for not quoting the post/posts I was referring to but I think you may have misunderstood what I meant.

mmmmmmm delicious notoriety of a TERF slayer.

PS In your dreams

That's it isn't it? Deep nonsense/delusion.

All clear now.

 

[Clair De Lune]

 

[JudithB]

What made you choose it then?

Because it made me giggle

 

[purenarcotic]

London Black Women’s Project has just had their refuge provision decommissioned by Newham Council. So now it’ll be even harder for women to access safety.

Perhaps we could all stop having endless pissing contests on various threads about who is more bigoted than who / more oppressed than who because whilst we all willy wave the actual reality for women gets worse.

Information on protests:

 

[JudithB]

This is what really upsets me. Clever brilliant women being distracted due to the selfishness and childishness of a certain ideology. In the meantime the planet is burning. And we are being distracted from what is happening to women that is possibly not to do with budging up and making space for trans women. Do we know why they have decommissioned the project? I will google but asking in case you have some info to hand

 

[TopCat]

Selfishness and childish?

 

[Manter]

In today’s patriarchy-fucks-us-all-over-men-and-women-alike news

 

[Steel Icarus]

In today’s patriarchy-fucks-us-all-over-men-and-women-alike news

Ok, I haven't seen any reaction whatsoever to it, but I haven't been looking. Where was this negative crap?

 

[colacubes]

Ok, I haven't seen any reaction whatsoever to it, but I haven't been looking. Where was this negative crap?

It was on the Sun online within minutes of the match ending the other night (I saw it on Twitter and meant to post it then). The article was saying how it was creepy and not the 1st time he’d been slammed for it. The only creepy thing is their attitude and spreading such utter garbage.

 

[Steel Icarus]

The Sun, Christ. Not exactly a track record of exemplary journalism. It's a ridiculous attitude, they were having a lovely time. He seems like such a good bloke to me, clearly loves his kids.

 

[kabbes]

Omigod not ON THE LIPS!!!!1!

 

[Manter]

Ok, I haven't seen any reaction whatsoever to it, but I haven't been looking. Where was this negative crap?

Sun, mail, express, twitter, Facebook.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

This is what really upsets me. Clever brilliant women being distracted due to the selfishness and childishness of a certain ideology. In the meantime the planet is burning. And we are being distracted from what is happening to women that is possibly not to do with budging up and making space for trans women. Do we know why they have decommissioned the project? I will google but asking in case you have some info to hand

See it’s posts like this that make me less inclined to read anything sensible on the subject.
I’m not going to comment on the ideology only to say that probably only a tiny proportion of a tiny population of trans people follow it anyway.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It was on the Sun online within minutes of the match ending the other night (I saw it on Twitter and meant to post it then). The article was saying how it was creepy and not the 1st time he’d been slammed for it. The only creepy thing is their attitude and spreading such utter garbage.

Step away from the poison..::

 

[JudithB]

See it’s posts like this that make me less inclined to read anything sensible on the subject.
I’m not going to comment on the ideology only to say that probably only a tiny proportion of a tiny population of trans people follow it anyway.

If you ever did fancy reading how we got where we are. Here's a good satirical history of what happened. The Annals of the TERF-Wars

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

If you ever did fancy reading how we got where we are. Here's a good satirical history of what happened. The Annals of the TERF-Wars

This is seriously horrible stuff. On a par with sharia law taking over the country or something of that sort- it’s one thing to say certain ideas are wrong, this goes way further than that. (I’m using the SL comparison in the sense it’s The Trans Are Gonna Take Over- if people can take that in good faith and not that I’m writing everyone off as fash)
Is there any chance the sensible posters could challenge this share here though for a change? I’ve been reliably informed on many occasions I’m not sensible, and neither are my questions.

 

[kabbes]

Anybody sensible isn’t touching any of this with a barge pole

 

[JudithB]

It's satire

 

[polly]

London Black Women’s Project has just had their refuge provision decommissioned by Newham Council. So now it’ll be even harder for women to access safety.

Perhaps we could all stop having endless pissing contests on various threads about who is more bigoted than who / more oppressed than who because whilst we all willy wave the actual reality for women gets worse.

Information on protests:

There's another one on 15 July at 7pm outside Stratford old town hall. There's a petition too, though this will no doubt be a done deal: Sign the Petition

Gutted to read this, I hadn't heard. I did some work with them years ago when it was Newham Asian Women's Project, they are brilliant and - like all such services - very much in demand. Sounds like they've given the contract to one of the big operators who seem to be hoovering up all the small refuges, for the worse (you'll know better than me about this). Fucked. Austerity continues to hit poor women the hardest.

 

[andysays]

It's satire

You're a dishonest transphobic cunt, and although the word TERF is often thrown around indiscriminately, it's perfect for you.

 

[JudithB]

There's another one on 15 July at 7pm outside Stratford old town hall. There's a petition too, though this will no doubt be a done deal: Sign the Petition.

Signed and I will share with some of my networks too. Plus details of the demo. Sending them all the luck in the world. This is why women have to start supporting women again from the grassroots. It often feels like we are the first to be thrown under the bus when it comes to cuts, defunding pretty much

 

[8ball]

Omigod not ON THE LIPS!!!!1!

Children carry more than 72 known diseases. A bite or scratch can be fatal.

 

[JudithB]

Children carry more than 72 known diseases. A bite or scratch can be fatal.

I want that "spit drink" gif for this post

 

[purenarcotic]

There's another one on 15 July at 7pm outside Stratford old town hall. There's a petition too, though this will no doubt be a done deal: Sign the Petition

Gutted to read this, I hadn't heard. I did some work with them years ago when it was Newham Asian Women's Project, they are brilliant and - like all such services - very much in demand. Sounds like they've given the contract to one of the big operators who seem to be hoovering up all the small refuges, for the worse (you'll know better than me about this). Fucked. Austerity continues to hit poor women the hardest.

Yep, big generic services cost much less (they pay their staff shit wages) and can absorb the costs like gas and electric within other projects making it harder for small independents to compete. No understanding from commissioners about the importance of specialist services and the expertise they carry. Fucking shite.

 

[polly]

Yep, big generic services cost much less (they pay their staff shit wages) and can absorb the costs like gas and electric within other projects making it harder for small independents to compete. No understanding from commissioners about the importance of specialist services and the expertise they carry. Fucking shite.

Yeah Just so shit that councils still haven't learnt not to just go for the cheapest tender. I'm sure they will be paying for this down the line, but the women involved will be paying for it sooner.

 

[JudithB]

Yeah Just so shit that councils still haven't learnt not to just go for the cheapest tender. I'm sure they will be paying for this down the line, but the women involved will be paying for it sooner.

It's like they've learned nothing from the reforms to the prison and probation services. Give it to the cheapest tender you get the cheapest service.

Women will suffer

 

[8ball]

I want that "spit drink" gif for this post

Shamelessly stolen from Scarfolk tbf.

That ‘history’ you posted - I really don’t think that’s the right word. I think it a *perception* of how some things have played out for some people, especially if the timeline mirrors the trajectory of their involvement in terms of awareness and which organisations they have aligned with, with the earliest part acting as something of a ‘prequel’, kicking off with events that never really happened (even seen through the stylistic lens used here).
Then it proceeds through some things which *kind of* happened if seen via a certain perspective, recruiting some extreme views on the way and representing them as emblematic of the general debate.

Then just goes a bit mental because it’s actually a rallying cry. And misrepresents the legal position as far as I can tell.

So yeah, the writing is quite punchy in places, but it is neither a history or honest. And the fact that it is written in response to something equally loaded isn’t really an excuse. In my opinion.

 

[JudithB]

Were you there? Because it is the timeline of how things have played out. It started with the lesbians. It ends with women not knowing a consultation was going on.

 

[8ball]

Were you there? Because it is the timeline of how things have played out. It started with the lesbians. It ends with women not knowing a consultation was going on.

I wasn’t quarreling with the timeline as such. Just the events on it.