Feminism - where are the threads?
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polly
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Look, this is a side issue about language and how certain uses of certain words are flags for certain types of people. I find it a bit strange that someone who claims to have been immersing herself in feminist thought hasn't come across this. You can google if you don't like my source because there are plenty of results for this, but here you go - I'm going to eat my dinner now and they will do a better job than me at explaining anyway. I'll be back.
If you want to have this discussion why not have it on the thread that is specifically about that discussion?
JudithB
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I didn't start it champ
Well clearly some feminists are trans inclusive so if you disagree with that then like I said, there's a thread, which will avoid this one turnig into a bunfight.
JudithB
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Enjoy your dinner. The simple fact is the class of people who are subjugated due to their producing large gametes is no longer "woman". Trans women ar women, get over it.
Therefore if we need to discuss what that subjugation feels like, is lived in day to day terms, what term can we use?
If I had started saying cis women I expect it would have been seen as more provocative.
And there is also the implication that cis women are some how oppressors in trans ideology and I refuse to accept that.
I do understand what you mean but this is where we are.
It's not my fault
JudithB
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This is my thread so I suggest you just fuck off out of it and stop trying to make it a bun fight
You might not be aware that this issue has caused a lot of upset within urban, which is a site where a lot of people know each other offline and several members have left and friendships broken up because of this debate - on both sides. So a bit of sensitivity and posting about it on the thread we all more or less agreed to use to discuss this wouldn't go amiss.
JudithB
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Yes I don't think I ever said they would be excluded.I don't know any feminists who wouldn't include sex workers. I know plenty who think prostitution is harmful to women but none who think the women in question shouldn't be allowed in our gang
I do not agree on the statement that sex work is work. I think as I agreed earlier that prostitution is work. But we must never forget it is prostitution. If men were to just throw the money at the woman and not have sex with her I think we can all agree which choice she'd prefer. Women are human beings.
JudithB
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Well I'm sorry but not on my thread. Fuck off to your so called Terfs are bigots thread. This thread and all the other Feminism threads are for females to talk about their issues. This is not about you
You lot really couldnt give a shit what collateral damage you leave in your wake as long as you get to force this point over andover again could you? As you were then.
I don't think you get to police this or any other threads. We're a community here.
JudithB
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Who's you lot? I am one woman asking that we are allowed to centre feminism around female people.
Funnily enough it was going really well until I was baited into a thread called Terfs are bigots.
Hmmm...
JudithB
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And I don't think female people get to be policed on what they decide to include in their feminism.
As said above this was all going really well and in fact this thread spawned a plethora of threads.
Then...guess what happened Poot?
Where were the open and honest threads (I will say recently, because I am new) about how life sucks for women? Didnt find any. Where were you all talking in the forum everyone told me was full of dick swingers? Where was the honest and open and frankly really intellectual interrogation of what it is to be a woman now.
And now I come out and say I am critical of gender. Jeesuz every woman should be critical of gender because that is what holds us down.
And now I am the bad guy (ooops am I misgendering myself)
FFS ladies wake the fuck up
And yet you've just created a degrading image in your description of a woman having money thrown at her.
friendofdorothy
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Just to be clear, I think you mean the terf bigots issue is has caused upset - not the more recent feminism threads?
I think it was said up thread somewhere that we didn't want this thread to go down a terf/bigot dark hole.
Feminism is a very broad movement and not every old feminist is a bigot.
friendofdorothy
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Well she did start this thread, so she gets to say what she likes.
U75 is a community, but a community that likes to argue and say fuck off a lot.
Yes of course, I mean the trans thread and the many before it which were binned. I think these threads have been really good for urban.
JudithB
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Right so take that bollocks away from here
JudithB
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Start a thread. These are issue we need to be discussing.
Saying what you like isn't the same as ownership is it?
The hostility in this case was uncalled for imo. The conflict here co-exists with care developed over time.
friendofdorothy
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Trans issues do seem to be a hot topic here and maybe on social media generally. But its not the only issue.
What about lack of opportunity / personal & financial independance / violence / the me too movement / body image / media representation / women's rights world wide / etc etc - lots and lots of other feminist issues to discuss.
What about lack of opportunity / personal & financial independance / violence / the me too movement / body image / media representation / women's rights world wide / etc etc - lots and lots of other feminist issues to discuss.
JudithB
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Then I suggest you look at all of my post pre today and then look at the bollocks thrown at me in the last 24 hours.
You appear to be very apologetic of those trying to shut this thread down. Well done
JudithB
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New topic on this thread - why are women scared of feminism that centres females? Why is it almost taboo? This is based on the posts of the last few hours and is not open to men or men who identify as women (sorry) to comment on. And it's also not a question asking why those who are not female should be centred. It is simply this...
Why feminism that centres females is seen as scary (taboo?) these days?
Why feminism that centres females is seen as scary (taboo?) these days?
friendofdorothy
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Since when did touchy-feely-care-taking happen in the p&p threads? or is care only required in feminism related threads?
I have sensed huge amounts of hostility from lots of U75 people. What care taken over time? or did I miss that memo too?
(I am of course a relative newbie compared to some so maybe I missed the initial emotional bonding session in the 90s)
JudithB
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Bleurgh you are the worst kind of feminist so no loss sweetheart
Hey my last post might be of interest
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