Feminism - where are the threads?

[Manter]

The most shocking thing about that video is how it lookalike that bloke has done exactly the same before. The ease of motion and muscle memory.

Yes. Absolutely. His instinctive reaction was to grab a woman by the throat, and slam her against the wall, snarling. I wonder what he does when the cameras *aren’t* watching?

 

[JudithB]

Isn’t the point that it isn’t a specific discussion about feminism but that those issues are raised all the time because people talk about their lives on there and it’s relevant to their lives. People on that thread aren’t deliberately having the conversations in a way that excludes others although it’s probably helpful that there are fewer posts telling them they’re wrong.

Also, the threads appear in new posts so if that’s how you use the boards you can see if there are discussions that you might be interested in joining.

I am delighted to learn that real lived feminism is alive and well on these boards.

 

[JudithB]

It’s not the thread ‘on feminism’. It’s the thread where feminism is lived and breathed, the most feminist thread, the best example of feminism in action.

I may have to seek it out

 

[pengaleng]

how do you feel about the trans tho judith?? that will really cement your feminist credentials.

 

[JudithB]

Once again I feel the need to apologise for disappearing. I have been studying feminism via an online course. It has been wonderful and reintroduced me to many feminists I had neglected for a while. The course is in its final weeks and I hope to be more active here once more.

 

[JudithB]

how do you feel about the trans tho judith?? that will really cement your feminist credentials.

Why is this important?

 

[pengaleng]

it';s well important if you wanna be considered a real feminist on this site, I didnt make the rules, see TERF thread for more info, thats a thread about feminism. h2h

I sense some hostility off yer post, calm down

 

[JudithB]

it';s well important if you wanna be considered a real feminist on this site, I didnt make the rules, see TERF thread for more info, thats a thread about feminism. h2h

I sense some hostility off yer post, calm down

I think I will decide if I am a real feminist thank you. And yes if you sense some hostility you are not mistaken.
Back off.
I don't react well to those I think may be bullies after initial interactions. I do hope I am proved wrong

 

[pengaleng]

well that's not how real feminisim works is it, the collective decides on whether yer feminist enough by determining whether yer thoughts on 'the trans' is radical enough or you're just pandering to neoliberalism.

I sais I never made the rules.

lol 'bullies' what a joker - you should work on your judgement of people, it's not good to make snap judgements. unless you got paranoia and then everyone is out to get you so working on it wont help

 

[JudithB]

well that's not how real feminisim works is it, the collective decides on whether yer feminist enough by determining whether yer thoughts on 'the trans' is radical enough or you're just pandering to neoliberalism.

I sais I never made the rules.

lol 'bullies' what a joker - you should work on your judgement of people, it's not good to make snap judgements.

I'm sorry are you telling me what the rules of feminism are? Who are you? What gives you the right to think you can tell me what makes me "enough" of a feminist? Who told you the rules?
If you are not a bully you very much come across as one
As a feminist I have learned to trust my instincts

 

[pengaleng]

are you an actual parody?

I thought everyone knew rules of feminism, your position is very unfortunate.

 

[JudithB]

are you an actual parody?

I thought everyone knew rules of feminism.

This is the last time I reply to you

I do not have to justify myself to you or anyone else on this thread if I do not want to. I do not want to speak with you as you are coming from a place of hostility.

Goodbye pengaleng

 

[pengaleng]

bwarrrrk bwark bwaaark bwaaarrrk

bye, felicia.

 

[friendofdorothy]

are you an actual parody?

I thought everyone knew rules of feminism, your position is very unfortunate.

What rules? did I miss the memo too? So what are your rules then?

There are feminists who are not terfs and not every discussion about feminism has to be about trans issues. There are other treads for that.

I'm not sure why are you being so confrontational.

 

[friendofdorothy]

Why is this important?

trans is the only issue Peng thinks is important maybe?

 

[JudithB]

Well that a holiday into stupidity. I am very glad to be back where intellectual conversation is to be had

 

[pengaleng]

trans is the only is Peng thinks is important maybe?

no; it's just that I get the impression that this is a hot topic among those who are bang into feminism, or is that not the case?

I am not one, you see and was just having a banter regarding this culturally problematic situation. I am sorry that you feel it is confrontational.

no one has really pinpointed any solid rules yet within the movement afaik as a lot of evidence is flimsy and statistics need time to be manipulated. I hope this helps.

regretful regards,

Lil'J

ps- I appreciate you highlighting that not every discussion on feminism needs to be about trans, it really put me in my place.

 

[JudithB]

no; it's just that I get the impression that this is a hot topic among those who are bang into feminism, or is that not the case?

Only insofar as it encroaches on the rights of the oppressed class of female. But this thread, nor I am certain, is this forum a place where intellectual conversation on the matter can be had. So we'll get back to talking about feminism that is for females over here thanks

 

[spanglechick]

Only insofar as it encroaches on the rights of the oppressed class of female. But this thread, nor I am certain, is this forum a place where intellectual conversation on the matter can be had. So we'll get back to talking about feminism that is for females over here thanks

Umm. Not sure you get to speak for all of us. You are entitled to your own views of course, but my feminism is inclusive of my trans sisters, and when I talk, and have talked about feminism, it is from a position of inclusivity.

 

[polly]

Yes, my feminism includes transwomen too. And sex workers.

So we'll get back to talking about feminism that is for females over here thanks

And sorry to pick you up on your language again but it's a bit jarring to see female as a noun used on feminism threads.

Sorry if this qualifies as cross thread beef...

 

[weepiper]

I don't know any feminists who wouldn't include sex workers. I know plenty who think prostitution is harmful to women but none who think the women in question shouldn't be allowed in our gang

 

[polly]

I don't know any feminists who wouldn't include sex workers. I know plenty who think prostitution is harmful to women but none who think the women in question shouldn't be allowed in our gang

I wouldn't call them feminists but they do, and they do exist, sadly. An emerging ugly voice on social media blaming sex workers for the existence of sex work.

edit - no idea about this source but this was one of the first results: Feminism 101: What Is A SWERF? - FEM Newsmagazine (sorry cooking )

 

[JudithB]

Umm. Not sure you get to speak for all of us. You are entitled to your own views of course, but my feminism is inclusive of my trans sisters, and when I talk, and have talked about feminism, it is from a position of inclusivity.

Define gender to me and then get back to me sister

ETA and then introduce me to trans women who believe cis women have rights that they are going to support us to retain and attain (world wide). I'd be v happy to meet them. The TW I know prefer to be feminist allies

 

[killer b]

Oh well.

 

[JudithB]

Yes, my feminism includes transwomen too. And sex workers.



And sorry to pick you up on your language again but it's a bit jarring to see female as a noun used on feminism threads.

Sorry if this qualifies as cross thread beef...

Females are who females centre. Anything else we centre is out of kindness. Find another rights movement that has to centre any other group before their own. It really is that simple.

There is nothing wrong with saying we are female, that we still have rights worth fighting for and please don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[smokedout]

I don't know any feminists who wouldn't include sex workers. I know plenty who think prostitution is harmful to women but none who think the women in question shouldn't be allowed in our gang

Given a lot in that gang are activly campaigning to take away sex workers livlihoods they probably wont want to join though.

Anyway prob best for its own thread this.

 

[polly]

Females are who females centre. Anything else we centre is out of kindness. Find another rights movement that has to centre any other group before their own. It really is that simple.

There is nothing wrong with saying we are female, that we still have rights worth fighting for and please don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Of course there's nothing wrong with saying we are female. I'm not talking about using the word female as an adjective, but as a noun. It's been adopted by misogynists all over social media - there's even a facebook group called 'Of course you call them females' where women laugh at MRA types. This isn't a trans v GC issue. I'm surprised you don't know about this.

 

[JudithB]

Of course there's nothing wrong with saying we are female. I'm not talking about using the word female as an adjective, but as a noun. It's been adopted by misogynists all over social media - there's even a facebook group called 'Of course you call them females' where women laugh at MRA types. This isn't a trans v GC issue. I'm surprised you don't know about this.

Trans women are women

How do we continue to highlight the rights of the subjugated sex that used to be women? We are female and subjugated (or in the UK treated differently if that makes people feel comfortable) because we are the category that can (despite dsds etc etc) produce large gametes.

I wish it wasn't so, I would much rather we could say women and trans women. But I respect that trans women are women. And in return I ask that they respect that we still have to be able to describe our subjugation.

 

[polly]

Trans women are women

How do we continue to highlight the rights of the subjugated sex that used to be women? We are female and subjugated (or in the UK treated differently if that makes people feel comfortable) because we are the category that can (despite dsds etc etc) produce large gametes.

I wish it wasn't so, I would much rather we could say women and trans women. But I respect that trans women are women. And in return I ask that they respect that we still have to be able to describe our subjugation.

Yeah read my post

 

[JudithB]

Yeah read my post

I did. Or is there one above it?