Feminism - where are the threads?

[Looby]

You’ve missed the point. A newcomer to the boards interested in discussing feminism couldn’t find that discussion? Why? Because it is apparently buried in the parenting thread. I couldn’t have told you that either. Nobody could who wasn’t active in the parenting thread. That’s ghettoising the subject.

Isn’t the point that it isn’t a specific discussion about feminism but that those issues are raised all the time because people talk about their lives on there and it’s relevant to their lives. People on that thread aren’t deliberately having the conversations in a way that excludes others although it’s probably helpful that there are fewer posts telling them they’re wrong.

Also, the threads appear in new posts so if that’s how you use the boards you can see if there are discussions that you might be interested in joining.

 

[Manter]

Isn’t the point that it isn’t a specific discussion about feminism but that those issues are raised all the time because people talk about their lives on there and it’s relevant to their lives. People on that thread aren’t deliberately having the conversations in a way that excludes others although it’s probably helpful that there are fewer posts telling them they’re wrong.

Also, the threads appear in new posts so if that’s how you use the boards you can see if there are discussions that you might be interested in joining.

Yes absolutely this Looby. It’s not a thread to debate or educate, it’s a discussion between a load of intelligent men and women about something that is on the front lines of feminism, gender roles, patriarchy, economics and god knows what else. (And it is, basically, mostly, kind- so people can speak, and mess up and get emotional and we all sort of roll with it)
Lived feminism.

 

[Thora]

You’ve missed the point. A newcomer to the boards interested in discussing feminism couldn’t find that discussion? Why? Because it is apparently buried in the parenting thread. I couldn’t have told you that either. Nobody could who wasn’t active in the parenting thread. That’s ghettoising the subject.

You think women should only be allowed to discuss feminism on dedicated feminism threads as if it's something totally abstract and theoretical and not part of women's actual lives.

 

[kabbes]

You think women should only be allowed to discuss feminism on dedicated feminism threads as if it's something totally abstract and theoretical and not part of women's actual lives.

Who said I was trying to say what was allowed?

 

[Thora]

I don't think you know what you're trying to say.

 

[kabbes]

I don't think you know what you're trying to say.

I’m just pointing out that the *preeminent* thread on feminism being one that is ghettoised (which the parental thread is — it’s about a niche (albeit popular) subject) is not an ideal state of affairs. Not that it isn’t a natural place to discuss such things (indeed, I agreed it was a natural thing to happen). Not that it’s not an important feature of parental discussion. Just that when you reach the point that it is popularly seen as *the* place to go for feminism, that’s less than ideal.

 

[Manter]

I’m just pointing out that the *preeminent* thread on feminism being one that is ghettoised (which the parental thread is — it’s about a niche (albeit popular) subject) is not an ideal state of affairs. Not that it isn’t a natural place to discuss such things (indeed, I agreed it was a natural thing to happen). Not that it’s not an important feature of parental discussion. Just that when you reach the point that it is popularly seen as *the* place to go for feminism, that’s less than ideal.

It’s not the thread ‘on feminism’. It’s the thread where feminism is lived and breathed, the most feminist thread, the best example of feminism in action.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

 

[Manter]

*On these boards at the current point in time

 

[Thora]

Parenting is such a niche issue for women. I mean, you know it happens, but it's so rare to meet a woman who actually does it.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

*On these boards at the current point in time

no, not that post, just generally

 

[baldrick]

That’s ghettoising the subject.

Oh please. We're allowed more than one thread on feminism. And frankly, 'ghettoising' the subject to an area where men rarely go is a good thing. We're all really tired of having to explain ourselves.

Fwiw I never go on that thread, but so what, there's plenty of others (now!) I can get involved in. Why shouldn't there be a parenting related feminism discussion?

 

[Manter]

no, not that post, just generally

Ah, can’t help with that. Because... yeah

 

[kabbes]

Alright, I’ve said what I thought. I’ve no interest in arguing it. If you don’t agree, fine.

 

[scifisam]

Thought you'd all appreciate this:

 

[Gramsci]

from my thoroughly middle-aged perspective there's a massive generational disconnect between (committed, dedicated, thought-out) feminist positions, discussions, and solidarity atm.

there's a generational break between second wave feminism (like i was raised in) and modern lib-fem (like my kids observe/subcribe to), and rad-fem that's in fundamental ways unbreachable imho

I posted this on the Works of Feminism thread. The difference between Liberal Feminsim and Socialist Feminism.. Is this what you mean?

"Back in 70s early 80s it was. Socialst Feminists of that time did deal with some of these issues as part of feminism. Socialization of childcare was one.

Unfortunately Thatcherism / Reaganomics replaced the post war social welfare consensus. So all this went.

More individualist liberal feminism was better able to live with the new neo liberal order. Getting more women into the boardroom as a goal as an example.

Thoughtful article here on the the changes in fortune of socialist feminist ideas. The old socialist feminist ideas are possibly having a resurgence.

Its based on USA but I think relevant .

Also good explanation of the differences and overlap of liberal feminism and socialist feminism.

The Promise of Socialist Feminism "

So I would say for the younger generation the Socialist feminism which was major part of Second Wave feminism in UK is replacing Liberal Feminsim. Possibly.

 

[mango5]

One of the things I keep coming back to is knowing that a proportion of the men I know and like and trust, a significant minority of these men have harassed, assaulted, abused women.
<snip>
But it leaves us knowing that our fear of “some men” includes those men who are sending us a different story. And because of that silence, society gets to pretend that these men are rare aberrations. Men get to pretend that their friend who was acquitted of rape was innocent. That the men who hurt women aren’t their friends and family.

The whole lie makes me feel physically sick.

I can't let go of this knowledge either, or the knowledge that some male posters on this site are such abusers. The fear and nausea rise every time they post on feminism related threads. It's a magnificent silencing device

 

[friendofdorothy]

I can't let go of this knowledge either, or the knowledge that some male posters on this site are such abusers. The fear and nausea rise every time they post on feminism related threads. It's a magnificent silencing device

hence the need for the Feminism and the silencing of women thread

 

[mango5]

 

[mango5]

Desperately seeking light relief

 

[mango5]

 

[mango5]

Last one... Probably more for the ‘world designed for men’ thread but better contained here

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Also (following on from mango5)

 

[mango5]

On the designer sanitary pads, it's never occurred to me to wonder why superpremium expensive luxury versions don't seem to exist

 

[friendofdorothy]

On the designer sanitary pads, it's never occurred to me to wonder why superpremium expensive luxury versions don't seem to exist

does super luxury designer toilet paper exist?

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

does super luxury designer toilet paper exist?

It does in Poland. You can get tracing paper type... (like back in the day) or super super absorbant that you pay a fortune for.

 

[mango5]

does super luxury designer toilet paper exist?

There's one that's a million quid or something but this I think would be a normal household product for some rich people Hanebisho Luxury Japanese Classic Butterfly Design Toilet Paper

Whereas searching for ”most expensive sanitary pad" shows nothing that special. In fact you're more likely to get things like this Pricey periods: how to save money on sanitary products or stuff about the lifetime cost.
At least toilet roll is taxed as well as sanitary products Archived Petition: Remove the Value Added Tax charged on toilet rolls and make them VAT Exempt.

 

[Manter]

I’m not sure where this goes.... Mark Field.

Violent assault on a woman, caught on film. Terrifying video- I gasped out loud when I watched it.

And the media is *littered* with people (men) excusing it.

And that is what women face. Violent public assault, a terrifying level of snarling hatred on the face of a member of government- and a significant minority saying ‘well, she shouldn’t have been somewhere she wasn’t supposed to be’ ‘what did she expect?’ ‘He’s a hero’

The mask slips every so often and I’m horrified by what’s behind it

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

The most shocking thing about that video is how it lookalike that bloke has done exactly the same before. The ease of motion and muscle memory.

 

[Athos]

The most shocking thing about that video is how it lookalike that bloke has done exactly the same before. The ease of motion and muscle memory.

Snap. That was the first thing that occurred to me. Most blokes pause before putting their hands on a woman, even during a fight. That he so readily did this without missing a beat, with no apparent significant threat suggests to me he's not a stranger to this kind of thing.