Feminism - where are the threads?

[JudithB]

Hopefully you will also have to read a bundle of spin–off threads for men's responses to this and other related topics, eg ’default man’

I started reading one of them yesterday evening and I am still catching up.

It is truly a pleasure to have found a group of such intelligent erudite women

 

[friendofdorothy]

I started reading one of them yesterday evening and I am still catching up.

It is truly a pleasure to have found a group of such intelligent erudite women

What do you think of the spin off feminist threads?

 

[friendofdorothy]

I'm thinking of starting more threads, these are ones I've wanted to start years ago but couldn't face the hassle at the time - what does anyone think of:

feminism - womens bodies, body size, body image

feminism - clothing, dress and style

 

[Athos]

I'm thinking of starting more threads, these are ones I've wanted to start years ago but couldn't face the hassle at the time - what does anyone think of:

feminism - womens bodies, body size, body image

feminism - clothing, dress and style

Whilst I recognise I'm not the target audience for this question, as a man who's enjoyed reading the recent proliferation of feminism threads, I'd be interested in both of those.

Whilst I wouldn't want to start a feminism thread, nor ask or expect anyone else to do so for me, I've often though one on international feminism would be good, too. And one that looks at the relatively recent push-back against feminism by younger women.

 

[JudithB]

What do you think of the spin off feminist threads?

Excellent

I have said this on another thread, I am going to jump back in and therefore risk not knowing the context or nuance of some things stated on the threads as I am finding it difficult to catch up before more is written and discussed. This is all good

 

[JudithB]

I'm thinking of starting more threads, these are ones I've wanted to start years ago but couldn't face the hassle at the time - what does anyone think of:

feminism - womens bodies, body size, body image

feminism - clothing, dress and style

The first topic is definitely worth interrogating further. The second may take us down the rabbit hole none of us want to fall into

ETA Women are being silenced at incredible rates at the moment, either through expulsion from social media/blogging sites etc, or through fear of being handed to the mob (reminiscent of the "take her, not me" position during the witch trials). This is something that deserves interrogation as a subject. I would value yours and others thoughts on whether this is the place for such an examination?

 

[friendofdorothy]

The first topic is definitely worth interrogating further. The second may take us down the rabbit hole none of us want to fall into

I'll start that when I have the energy, thank you for the encouragement. Clothes one might be too 'threads and dreads'

ETA Women are being silenced at incredible rates at the moment, either through expulsion from social media/blogging sites etc, or through fear of being handed to the mob (reminiscent of the "take her, not me" position during the witch trials). This is something that deserves interrogation as a subject. I would value yours and others thoughts on whether this is the place for such an examination?

yes I'm horrified that female mps and such, are getting frequent death and rape threats on social media. How has this been allowed to happen? New thread Feminism and the silencing of women maybe? please go for it.

 

[JudithB]

I'll start that when I have the energy, thank you for the encouragement. Clothes one might be too 'threads and dreads'.

I need to seek out threads and dreads.

Bravo on the other conversations you have been starting. (there doesn't appear to be a blowing kiss emoji)

 

[JudithB]

I am not sure if I have some wrong permissions or perhaps it is because I have not been as fully engaged as a relative newby should be. Unfortunately I am not being allowed to create a thread called "Feminism and the silencing of women" or "Feminism what can be done to stop women being silenced"

I assume I am not being silenced for asking these questions?

ETA I am going to log off and watch the latest RTD episode. Goodnight from me and goodnight from her

 

[friendofdorothy]

mwah mwah to you too for getting us going again!

 

[friendofdorothy]

I am not sure if I have some wrong permissions or perhaps it is because I have not been as fully engaged as a relative newby should be. Unfortunately I am not being allowed to create a thread called "Feminism and the silencing of women" or "Feminism what can be done to stop women being silenced"

I assume I am not being silenced for asking these questions?

ETA I am going to log off and watch the latest RTD episode. Goodnight from me and goodnight from her

started for you!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Whilst I recognise I'm not the target audience for this question, as a man who's enjoyed reading the recent proliferation of feminism threads, I'd be interested in both of those.

Whilst I wouldn't want to start a feminism thread, nor ask or expect anyone else to do so for me, I've often though one on international feminism would be good, too. And one that looks at the relatively recent push-back against feminism by younger women.

There's a lot of rhetoric about a push-back against feminism by younger women, but from what I've seen so far - in the media - it's more talked about, as opposed to actually happening.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The first topic is definitely worth interrogating further. The second may take us down the rabbit hole none of us want to fall into

ETA Women are being silenced at incredible rates at the moment, either through expulsion from social media/blogging sites etc, or through fear of being handed to the mob (reminiscent of the "take her, not me" position during the witch trials). This is something that deserves interrogation as a subject. I would value yours and others thoughts on whether this is the place for such an examination?

I follow a couple of dozen gender-critical professionals on Twitter, nearly half of whom have been banned/expelled for "hate crimes" such as stating biological reality - or in one case, "dead-naming" someone who actually tweeted under their "dead name" (#waxmyballs).
I'm gender-critical, but I don't get attacked - because I'm male. It's blatant silencing of women through the application of institutional misogyny.

 

[Athos]

There's a lot of rhetoric about a push-back against feminism by younger women, but from what I've seen so far - in the media - it's more talked about, as opposed to actually happening.

I'm wracking my brain to recall an article I read about how, because women in their 20s in the UK now earn slightly more than men (putative: because of higher academic attainment), many consider feminism an anachronism; it's only when they have/are 'suspected' of being about to have kids (now typically in the early 30s) that the wage gap reverses and widens, that some women become more conscious of inequality (or so the author claimed).

 

[spanglechick]

I follow a couple of dozen gender-critical professionals on Twitter, nearly half of whom have been banned/expelled for "hate crimes" such as stating biological reality - or in one case, "dead-naming" someone who actually tweeted under their "dead name" (#waxmyballs).
I'm gender-critical, but I don't get attacked - because I'm male. It's blatant silencing of women through the application of institutional misogyny.

That’s not exactly an unbiased account of what’s happened in every one of those cases, is it?

The schism in feminism between those inclusive of trans women and those who are not, is an ugly, painful fracture in our sisterhood that is a cause of genuine personal and enduring pain for me and many other feminists.

Many trans inclusive feminists have left urban altogether because of it. We have a thread to discuss it on. One which I had to put on ignore because my own emotional distress as while back. Please, please, I am asking you with my whole heart, can we not reopen these wounds on the new feminism threads?

 

[CRI]

That’s not exactly an unbiased account of what’s happened in every one of those cases, is it?

The schism in feminism between those inclusive of trans women and those who are not, is an ugly, painful fracture in our sisterhood that is a cause of genuine personal and enduring pain for me and many other feminists.

Many trans inclusive feminists have left urban altogether because of it. We have a thread to discuss it on. One which I had to put on ignore because my own emotional distress as while back. Please, please, I am asking you with my whole heart, can we not reopen these wounds on the new feminism threads?

Have avoided feminism discussions here for exactly this reason.

 

[scifisam]

That’s not exactly an unbiased account of what’s happened in every one of those cases, is it?

The schism in feminism between those inclusive of trans women and those who are not, is an ugly, painful fracture in our sisterhood that is a cause of genuine personal and enduring pain for me and many other feminists.

Many trans inclusive feminists have left urban altogether because of it. We have a thread to discuss it on. One which I had to put on ignore because my own emotional distress as while back. Please, please, I am asking you with my whole heart, can we not reopen these wounds on the new feminism threads?

Many gender-critical feminists have left urban too due to those threads, mainly due to being told in very, very angry terms that they weren't trans-inclusive enough. I agree with you that it's best left off this thread overall, but I didn't want to leave everyone with the false impression that it's only trans-inclusive people who felt driven out.

 

[purenarcotic]

Not entirely sure this ‘ugly’ or ‘painful’ fracture will ever heal if we all potter along and pretend it’s not happening and don’t actually address it.

Anyway, saw Budweiser doing stuff for Pride on Twitter with a picture accompanied by the phrase ‘pink for femininity, blue for masculinity’ and I just despair so much. Have we really not moved on from this absolute rubbish?

 

[Manter]

Not entirely sure this ‘ugly’ or ‘painful’ fracture will ever heal if we all potter along and pretend it’s not happening and don’t actually address it.

Anyway, saw Budweiser doing stuff for Pride on Twitter with a picture accompanied by the phrase ‘pink for femininity, blue for masculinity’ and I just despair so much. Have we really not moved on from this absolute rubbish?

The whole of pride makes me rage. Corporates sticking rainbow flags on things and making no changes, giving no thought to the issues. But y’know pretty flags!

 

[kabbes]

The whole of pride makes me rage. Corporates sticking rainbow flags on things and making no changes, giving no thought to the issues. But y’know pretty flags!

We’re all being encouraged to wear “Ally” badges at work. Hard-core finance Tories in “Ally” badges.

 

[purenarcotic]

We’re all being encouraged to wear “Ally” badges at work. Hard-core finance Tories in “Ally” badges.

Dear lord.

 

[Manter]

Lamppost in a business park. I mean.... seriously.

 

[kabbes]

Dear lord.

I know. And it’s not even like you can start to explain to them why it’s so horrifying. I mean, what’s not to like about offering support and acceptance?

 

[trashpony]

Lamppost in a business park. I mean.... seriously.

I got a bottle of Absolut with a rainbow flag on it last year

 

[Treacle Toes]

Not entirely sure this ‘ugly’ or ‘painful’ fracture will ever heal if we all potter along and pretend it’s not happening and don’t actually address it.

As difficult as the conversation can get I agree, I also think though that some people clearly feel that they have said all they can and are merely accepting that they disagree, however uncomfortable that disagreement is.

I also think that any man reading this thread who would like to see X, Y or Z threads created to discuss X, Y or Z issue/s need to crack on and create them. Not dump their ideas and preferences here and expect any of us to do the work for them.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Might be a bit of reluctance for men on here to start feminism related threads tbh.

 

[scifisam]

Pride used to be genuinely empowering, too. I have many happy memories of it, even after it started to get commercialised.

But this might not be the thread for it.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Might be a bit of reluctance for men on here to start feminism related threads tbh.

The sky won't fall in if you do as proven already...

Works of Feminist Theory, Philosophy & History

 

[Steel Icarus]

Patronising much?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Patronising much?

Well I certainly am not meaning to be. Equally I could say that this...

Might be a bit of reluctance for men on here to start feminism related threads tbh.

...implies men are too scared to start such threads for fear of getting 'their heads bitten off' but that would be the worst reading I could have of your post wouldn't it?

That good will goes both ways so instead of accusing me of being patronising you could see that my point is a valid one, as proven by the fact a man already has started a thread they wanted to.