"Everybody has to have guns" says rock bellend in Eagles of Death Metal

[bi0boy]

Some guy being a gun nut is no story on its own tho. This wouldnt be any kind of deal if he hadnt been in the paris shooting.

Sure - gun nut is slated by lots of people for promoting gun nuttery after being a victim of a shooting. :shrug:

 

[rutabowa]

Yet again everyone dances to the journalists merry tune.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sure - gun nut is slated by lots of people for promoting gun nuttery after being a victim of a shooting. :shrug:

nobody turned into somebody by shooting turns out to be a loon shocker.

 

[bi0boy]

Yet again everyone dances to the journalists merry tune.

It's all their fault. Without journalists gun nuts could go on being gun nuts without criticism, regardless of whether they were victims of shootings or not.

 

[rutabowa]

I just think the fact he is a gun nut is entirely irrelevant to the paris shootings, and tying the two together for the sake of clicks and reposts, like the news outlets have done, is opportunistic and er bad (searching for a better word)

 

[bi0boy]

I just think the fact he is a gun nut is entirely irrelevant to the paris shootings, and tying the two together for the sake of clicks and reposts, like the news outlets have done, is opportunistic and er bad (searching for a better word)

I think it's quite important to be reminded that gun nuts are unlikely to change their views in such circumstances, especially in a European context where gun nuttery is unusual.

 

[Streathamite]

I imagine it's just one of many responses a person suffering from PTSD might come out with. Gosh knows how any of us might react after such an horrific event.

I grant you it was traumatic, but he's had more than enough time, since then, to think it through fully, considering all aspects etc. No excuses, especially given the horrific gun death rate in the US.
i'd also have thought the band's management would have the sense to tape his gob shut, if that's the best use he can put it to.

 

[elbows]

One of the first things I accidentally learnt after hearing of the shooting was that the political beliefs he espouses in interviews suck. I didn't go looking for detail at the time, but as a result of this thread I have done and its probably slightly uglier than I expected, and I already expected it to be bad.

Barack Obama is “non-fucking American-born.” George W. Bush is a hero, because “a dude who does blow and likes ZZ Top is my kind of motherfucker.” The theory of evolution is for fools who believe in “magical talking monkeys.” Rehab is bullshit — he’s been there twice, though he acknowledges that “no one can do drugs like me.” And while rock and roll might be part of a culture that he believes is ruining life on Earth, it also saved and then transformed his life.

The Devil and Jesse Hughes: The Donald Trump-Supporting, Drug-Hoovering Frontman for Eagles of Death Metal Will Not Apologize for Anything

 

[killer b]

I grant you it was traumatic, but he's had more than enough time, since then, to think it through fully, considering all aspects etc.

For real? 90 people murdered in front of him - 90 people who were only there to see his band - and a month or so later he's had enough time to think it through fully and consider all aspects?

Are you sure it's this guy that's lacking in compassion and perspective?

 

[dylanredefined]

Giving kids access to pistols and assault rifles is a stupid idea.

Generally the weapons are going to be too heavy for them to handle and if you arm them with more manageable, smaller calibre guns, they're unlikely to have the stopping power required for a full on playground firefight.

What's needed is a kiddie sized pistol chambered in .45 acp, that can be easily carried in a satchel. I reckon reducing the magazine to 4 or 5 rounds would be a good start.

 

[Streathamite]

For real? 90 people murdered in front of him - 90 people who were only there to see his band - and a month or so later he's had enough time to think it through fully and consider all aspects?

Are you sure it's this guy that's lacking in compassion and perspective?

a) 3 months
b) as a fully-fledged rawk star, he's has had far, far longer experience of the relationship between performer, press and public, and with that an awareness of the effect your words can have, and your ownership of them - whether you like it or not.
Plus, it's hardly that bataclan has been a revelation to him - he's always been a gun nut, and a reactionary one too.

I have every sympathy for him and his fellow bandmembers wrt the dreadful ordeal he and his colleagues have been through. However, when he uses it to ride his mass gun-ownership hobbyhorse, one's feelings for the far greater number of firearms fatalities - Thirteen Thousand, Two Hundred and Fucking Fifteen - tend to loom larger, ditto sympathy for their bereaved.

Whilst I'm going all Statto, here's another; the US gun-fatality rate per 1000-capita is 30 times that of the UK.

 

[killer b]

Of course, three months. He should be over it by now. No excuse.

 

[dylanredefined]

Well if everyone who wanted a gun was trained and to be able to shoot in such a situation. You are looking at about two weeks of shooting plus regular refreshing shoots he might have a point. Going to a gun shop buying a pistol and firing it a few times is not going to cut it and outside of the military and law enforcement few people have a few grand to spend on ammo and training.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

He's a Trumpet as well, isn't he?

 

[bi0boy]

Of course, three months. He should be over it by now. No excuse.

No one is saying he "should be over it". Just that he's had enough time to think about the sorts of things he says to the press such that whatever he says about gun ownership reflects his actual views rather than being some kind of shock reaction. So no, no "excuse".

 

[killer b]

mental.

 

[alfajobrob]

I want to be able to legally purchase a handgun and assault rifle. The UK laws are ridiculous.

God Bless America.

 

[rutabowa]

Plus, it's hardly that bataclan has been a revelation to him

er fucking hell

 

[rutabowa]

Anyway the guy might or might not be a nob but THIS ISNT NEWS it is just a conduit for people to reexpress their own idea of how they would like themselves to be seen, imo

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Hard to imagine how I'd react to something like this. I'd hope that I would come out fighting (metaphorically) afterwards, defiant and determined - probably after a period of nightmares and jumping at my own shadow. He's doing that in his way. He's not a politician or a gun-campaigner, just someone the press suddenly want to talk to, as rutabowa says.

 

[J Ed]

Trauma victim possibly suffering with PTSD says something stupid better monetise that with some clickbait

 

[redsquirrel]

er fucking hell

Well in terms of if his views on gun ownership it wasn't. His views on gun control haven't changed.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I imagine it's just one of many responses a person suffering from PTSD might come out with. Gosh knows how any of us might react after such an horrific event.

He was was a right wing dick and second amendment knucle dragger before the Paris shootings.

 

[rutabowa]

I think it's quite important to be reminded that gun nuts are unlikely to change their views in such circumstances.

You think it's important to remind people that 1 individual didn't change their mind about gun ownership in the face of a freak, outlandish, traumatic event that will likely never happen again? Well actually no, that isn't important at all, it is totally inane. It is also 1000% not why any "news" outlet is creating or reproducing this content either. They are doing it to get your clickz and commentz and repostz, and so to sell advertising.

 

[bi0boy]

You think it's important to remind people that 1 individual didn't change their mind about gun ownership in the face of a freak, outlandish, traumatic event that will likely never happen again? Well actually no, that isn't important at all, it is totally inane.

Given that not many people will have experienced such an attack, and of those even fewer will be willing to talk to the media, then I think that his views are important, yes.

It is also 1000% not why any "news" outlet is creating or reproducing this content either. They are doing it to get your clickz and commentz and repostz, and so to sell advertising.

Ah yes, we're all sheeple. You could apply that argument to any news story you didn't approve of. Not sure it apples to the BBC though?

 

[rutabowa]

You could apply that argument to any news story you didn't approve of.

This isn't a news story, that is the point.

 

[bi0boy]

This isn't a news story, that is the point.

So you keep saying

 

[Sprocket.]

Wilko noticed this worrying trend in 1978!

 

[Anudder Oik]

I don't think it's right to lay into the singer after the experience he went thru in Paris. Who are we to judge his reaction after a massacre like that.

Mind you, carrying guns at concerts is not a good idea. Imagine what might have happened to Rick Astley in the 90's.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Wilko noticed this worrying trend in 1978!

TBF, I'd be less worried by someone pointing a gun at me, than having Wilko stare at me!