the death of alexei navalny 16.2.24

[TopCat]

Looking at the media coverage there are definitely two strands. Brave opposition figure to Putin. Tragically murdered. Western commentators heap praise.

Then the other. Ultra nationalist opportunist. Racist bigot.

 

[ska invita]

It doesn't cost much these days to obtain a projector that can smother a building with an image at night, particularly one that is conveniently encased in white stucco. .

How much do you think it costs?

 

[ska invita]

Has anyone seen "the Oscar-winning film that captured Navalny's life"?

 

[Raheem]

Has anyone seen "the Oscar-winning film that captured Navalny's life"?

There's a documentary on iPlayer, which I think is the same one. Haven't seen it, though.

 

[tim]

Looking at the media coverage there are definitely two strands. Brave opposition figure to Putin. Tragically murdered. Western commentators heap praise.

Then the other. Ultra nationalist opportunist. Racist bigot.

I think both strands accept that there was an ultra-nationalist, opportunist, racist bigot involved. They may disagree on whose head the cap fits best.

 

[ska invita]

I think both strands accept that there was an ultra-nationalist, opportunist, racist bigot involved.

I dont think thats true at all

 

[tim]

I dont think thats true at all

Isn't it?

One side would say that Putin is an ultra-nationalist, opportunist, racist bigot: the other sid that Navalny was. I'd agree with both. I can't think of anyone apart from you who would absolve both.

 

[tim]

How much do you think it costs?

A cursory Google suggests that something decent could be hired for a few hundred pounds. There are plenty in the Russian diaspora who don't like the regime with money to spare for such things.

 

[Isambard]

Some of the individuals involved in the NATO-Russia war over Ukraine aren't particuarly pleasant at all.

But there are bigger forces at work, the plates of the world moving, more than just individuals. Hero or villain, free agent or stooge, Navalny got crushed between them.

Sad for him and his family, but there you go.

 

[joshuaspirit]

Russia finally captured Avdiivka. Looks like a devastating loss to Ukrainians

 

[TopCat]

Ukraine reportedly abandoned wounded troops on their retreat.

 

[spitfire]

Who were then reportedly executed by Russians.

 

[TopCat]

Who were then reportedly executed by Russians.

Nightmare

 

[johnwesley]

Christopher Hitchens opines from beyond the grave.

 

[NoXion]

The hagiography for this guy is so fucking weird, especially when one considers that were he in Putin's place he'd probably be up to the same kind of shit in Ukraine. Not convinced that Navalny would be any better corruption-wise either.

Why is it so difficult to recognise that he was murdered by an oppressive regime without lionising him?

 

[prunus]

rightwingers here are "poiting out" that putin:navalny::biden:trump

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Schumer knocks Zeldin for comparing Navalny death to Trump prosecution

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) knocked former Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) for comparing the death of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny to the prosecution of former President Trump. “As the world r…

thehill.com

There’s some marvellous cognitive dissonance being evidenced in the last two sentences of that extract imo.

 

[Isambard]

Why is it so difficult to recognise that he was murdered by an oppressive regime without lionising him?

Did he get accidentally tripped on those icy stairs on Kremlin orders? Possibly.

In this latest round of NATO's wars they've managed to drag much of the centrist to liberal-arty-metropolitan left on board and the propaganda is running overtime, so the pressure to think in black & white is much stronger.

i.e. If you aren't crying hard enough for Navalny, then you must be a friend of PUŢĹER!

 

[Sasaferrato]

Ukraine reportedly abandoned wounded troops on their retreat.

Grim. What do you do though?

 

[TopCat]

Grim. What do you do though?

Retreat earlier. It was only going one way. The Russians retreated out of Kharkiv under fire but in generally good order.

 

[The39thStep]

Can we move the discussions about Avdiivka to the main Ukraine war thread?

 

[PTK]

Christopher Hitchens opines from beyond the grave.

What is the point of such things as this audio?

 

[andysays]

Navalny's mother says she has been shown his body​

Alexei Navalny's mother has said she has been shown his body, but added that the Russian authorities were pressuring her to allow a "secret" burial. In a video address, Lyudmila Navalnaya said she had been brought to a morgue on Wednesday night. She said she had signed a death certificate. Allies of the former opposition leader said it claimed he died of natural causes.

 

[charlie mowbray]

Navalny and the Protests in Russia - Anarchist Communist Group

The ACG republishes the following text from the Russian anarcho-syndicalist KRAS (Confederation of Revolutionary Anarcho-Syndicalists) with which we are in agreement. SECTION OF I.W.A. IN THE REGION OF RUSSIA ABOUT THE LAST PROTESTS FOR NAVALNY We, anarchists and anarcho-syndicalists...

www.anarchistcommunism.org

 

[discokermit]

blood clot, according to budanov,

 

[phildwyer]

It's amusing to see how the Western MSM is forcing itself to concede the facts on this one. The Express strategy is typical: admits he died of natural causes, but even so the story still emphasizes the conspiracy theories. It's like they can't help themselves:

Alexei Navalny died of a 'blood clot', says top Ukraine spy chief

The remarks come after Navalny's widow, Yulia Navalnaya, accused Vladimir Putin of "torturing" him.

www.express.co.uk

 

[The39thStep]

 

[SpookyFrank]

Very emotional day for a lot of Russians. Even those who didn't like Navalny will feel like something important died with him.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Navalny died of a blood clot in much the same way that Sasha Litvinenko died of food poisoning.

 

[discokermit]

likely not ordered by putin, say cia, Putin ‘likely’ didn’t order Navalny’s death in February, US agencies believe: WSJ