Europe's convicted killers free and murdering in Scotland (and Britain)
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I was taking the piss..
actually feel guilty now
I was taking the piss..
actually feel guilty now
CyberRose
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And we'll do it again every time that cunt Murray looses a tennis match
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
"What do I have to offer a woman?
Well not riches certainly. I live off welfare and have done for years - it is a reliable, though low, income which increases to a couple's allowance if I can find a partner who is "habitually resident in the UK" - lived for years in Scotland, England, Wales or Northern Ireland. I am pro-Scottish of course but actually most of my previous lady friends have come from outside Scotland originally.
Of course, welfare here does pay extra for children and so I can afford to bring up kids no problem. A woman with no kids of her own yet but keen to start a family would be ideal."
ANOTHER FUCKING LAZY DOLEY(who does'nt want to work) SCUMBAG
Who now can say the long term living off benefits does'nt cause mental health problems
Well not riches certainly. I live off welfare and have done for years - it is a reliable, though low, income which increases to a couple's allowance if I can find a partner who is "habitually resident in the UK" - lived for years in Scotland, England, Wales or Northern Ireland. I am pro-Scottish of course but actually most of my previous lady friends have come from outside Scotland originally.
Of course, welfare here does pay extra for children and so I can afford to bring up kids no problem. A woman with no kids of her own yet but keen to start a family would be ideal."
ANOTHER FUCKING LAZY DOLEY(who does'nt want to work) SCUMBAG
Who now can say the long term living off benefits does'nt cause mental health problems
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You can just imagine Brenda saying to her footmen "now go and dump that body in Arbroath", can't you?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That would be because EU member states have control over there own sentencing structures and tariffs. Terrible, I know, but it's called "the principle of subsidiarity".
Myself, I'd love to see an EU-wide homogeneous sentencing structure, especially if we took as a basis for "white collar crime" prosecution, Germany's fairly punitive attitude, which makes the SFO look like a bunch of milk-drinking wimps.
I'd agree with rough guidelines for EU wide sentencing for serious crimes. Though I don't really have any greater problem with having a convicted German murderer living here than our very own homegrown good old British murderers. If they kill me, their nationality isn't of much interest! If not then it's not really a problem.
untethered
For industry & decency
I agree in principle, but so long as we have freedom of movement we potentially have this problem. If Sweden decides to give child murderers no more than 6 month prison sentences, then they're quite free to come and live next door to you. I did say rough guidelines, similar to the sentencing guidelines the government give to courts at the moment.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Every cloud has a silver lining then.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Fedayn
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done a bit of preying on immigrants himself, has he?
More like the 'immigrants' are praying he leaves them alone.
I think it would be wrong to start making serious points on this loony thread. Let's keep it bonkers until it gets binned.
untethered
For industry & decency
If my head has to end up on a beach I hope it's a British beach.
Fedayn
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
First thing I did - plus a little googling outside of urbanz.
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19sixtysix
Bring me sunshine
First thing I did - plus a little googling outside of urbanz.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...enGB214GB215&q="peter+dow"+&btnG=Search&meta=
100% Fruit and Nut.
His first post/thread/spam in Scotland ended up binned.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
O.M.F.G.
what the fucking fuck is this guy on?
A rather desirable armchair
Someone take this man out and dump his body in Arbroath. He talks too much sense.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Who is this fruitcake?
The Queen? She's the old dear who runs the place and deals with ad hoc cemetery arrangements.
Peter Dow
Standard Bearer
Not really seeing how the Queen is directly responsible for this
Though I now have a wonderful image of Brenda working at Glasgow airport customs...
The Queen is head of state of the UK. The government is called "HMG - Her Majesty's Government". Loads of other things the UK state has and does are prefixed with "HM". HM Prisons for example and yes, I do know all about those though for my political beliefs "crimes" I was not put in prison for as long as Nelson Mandela so I am quite modest about my sacrifice - no need to hold mass pop-concerts in my honour in London or anything).
In this case HMG backed up by HM customs and border control or whatever they call themselves these days, is insisting on - as is mentioned elsewhere in this topic - open doors at the borders, free movement for all EU citizens, including convicted killers.
It seems to be that this policy operates in Scotland (operated again by the UK state in Scotland) in that ALREADY CONVICTED KILLERS are allowed to remain as was ALREADY CONVICTED KILLER Vitas Plytnykas allowed to remain in Scotland.
Without that policy, so implemented, by the state, head of state Queen Elizabeth, Vitas Plytnykas would not have been allowed into the country.
The laws and the order of the Queen to uphold the laws as they are, passed into law by her order by her royal consent provided
Vitas Plytnykas the opportunity to kill again, here in Scotland. The Queen ordered the opportunity to be here to convicted killers; previously convicted killers are afforded the same opportunity as everyone else by the Queen's order. Vitas Plytnykas availed himself of the opportunity to kill here afforded to him by order of the Queen.
If you or I had tried to save this woman's life (or the life or any person in Scotland at risk from this foreign convicted killer) at any time by trying to deport this man ourselves we would have been in violation of the order of the Queen whose laws and officers he was here with the full consent of. The ones trying to protect people would be the ones who would have fallen foul of the Queen's orders.
Compared to all the other assisting factors the convicted killer had use of in committing this murder in Scotland, the decisive factor was order of the Queen to allow such as him in the country.
Other assisting factors which were not so decisive as the Queen's order
- Aleksandras Skirda, the co-convicted murderer. If Plytnykas had not his impressionable countryman Aleksandras Skirda, the flatmate of Jolante Bledaite to hand, he could have found another impressionable countryman and murdered his flatmate to take the money.
- The implements which with he used to kill the woman, cut up her body, the transport of the body from Brechin to Arbroath for dumping - all those means and mechanisms had alternatives.
The one thing which could have prevented Plytnykas murdering ANYONE in Scotland would have been if there had been no order from the Queen to allow free movement for all EU citizens including convicted killers.
One could imagine an alternative policy of the state which would have prevented Plytnykas murdering ANYONE in Scotland.
If the alternative policy had been for example, freedom of movement to all EU citizens EXCEPT to people who were convicted killers and/or are proven to be not good citizens who would not be allowed freedom of movement in Scotland or Britain even though they are from another EU country, Plytnykas would have been barred from Scotland and he could not have murdered anyone here.
In order to implement this alternative crime-prevention policy, Scottish and British border and internal police would need to access EU countries' criminal record databases in order to determine who was and who was not, a convicted killer.
Well there we disagree. I do not consider that it is up to other countries to defend the people of this country. That is the job of the head of state here.
Therefore whatever sentence Germany gives its Lithunian killers, I still say policy should be to ban them from Scotland (and from Britain too).
It is grotesquely irresponsible to trust that when Germany or France or whoever in the EU says "the killer X can be released from prison now" - we should simply take that on trust and allow them in.
So what SHOULD the Queen do? I am a republican so I say the Queen and her royal family should step down, go into exile and allow us on this island to set up republics and elect heads of state to suit the nations of this island.
So I take no responsibility for the failures of the UK to defend us from foreign killers in our own homes.
It is my responsibility to point out those failures of the state and the head of state to protect us and why we therefore should end the UK.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
tl;dr
Well I say dr, but I read the OP so I reckon you are on the far side of insane
Well I say dr, but I read the OP so I reckon you are on the far side of insane
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