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aylee said:
The thing that has angered me most about today is the sheer lack of passion. When the States went out, they were all on the floor crying. Hell, when the States went through to the second round Landon Donovan was getting all emotional during a TV interview.

Having just been mullered 4-1 by one of our bitterest foes in international football, and made to look old and yet naive by some explosive, quick football played on the break (and for the first goal, by some good old-fashioned route one, Mr Beckenbauer!), Lampard was happily chatting to an opponent. Rooney was walking off looking dazed, everyone was shaking hands and only Gerrard was sitting on the ground briefly looking mildly pissed off.

Guys, the rest of us English are fucking pissed off at getting hammered by the Germans. This lack of passion has pervaded and poisoned your performance throughout this World Cup. I feel sorry for the poor bastards who have probably forked out upwards of £10,000 to watch four mostly poor performances. You have let the whole country down with your poor play and deserve any three-week old tomatoes that greet you at whatever airport you choose to land at.

Capello's star has well and truly fallen. At least Keegan had the integrity to walk away saying "I'm not good enough". He has failed to get performances out of players who are capable of producing some excellent football for their clubs. I hope Capello has the grace to resign. I have no idea who should replace him, but he's forfeited the right to continue to manage England.

None of this will make any sense in the morning, but it's just the rant of a pissed and pissed off England fan who is fed up with crushing disappointment. :(:mad:
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*applauds*

I am used to the disappointment by now but for me the real slipup in this world cup was our failure to win the group. From that moment, we were doomed.......
 
aylee said:
The thing that has angered me most about today is the sheer lack of passion. When the States went out, they were all on the floor crying. Hell, when the States went through to the second round Landon Donovan was getting all emotional during a TV interview.

Having just been mullered 4-1 by one of our bitterest foes in international football, and made to look old and yet naive by some explosive, quick football played on the break (and for the first goal, by some good old-fashioned route one, Mr Beckenbauer!), Lampard was happily chatting to an opponent. Rooney was walking off looking dazed, everyone was shaking hands and only Gerrard was sitting on the ground briefly looking mildly pissed off.
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to be honest i liked that

i like a team who can lose and have some grace about it... can go a swop shirts and shake hands

yes by all means have some passion but don't piss on people fir being good losers
 
Gerrard "we only made 4 mistakes but got punished on every one" yeah Stevie G,apart from that you were brilliant :facepalm:
 
Wonder will the Tabs tomorrow be all about the linesman and his address, phone number, family names :hmm:
 
Capello for me made some questionable decisions - playin gerrard on the left and not dragging upson off being the two biggest ones but the players have to show more than that. I don't know why they don't - maybe the camp is fractured - they all look like strangers on the pitch, they don't get stuck in for each other. They deserved to go home tbh
 
discokermit said:
it's an attitude that's rife amongst expats. my mom and stepdad moved to spain. it was there i heard them moaning about 'asylum seekers' in britain. i said 'what the fuck, you're a refugee from miserable weather, you idiots.'.
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good grief :facepalm:

aylee said:
The thing that has angered me most about today is the sheer lack of passion. When the States went out, they were all on the floor crying. Hell, when the States went through to the second round Landon Donovan was getting all emotional during a TV interview.

Having just been mullered 4-1 by one of our bitterest foes in international football, and made to look old and yet naive by some explosive, quick football played on the break (and for the first goal, by some good old-fashioned route one, Mr Beckenbauer!), Lampard was happily chatting to an opponent. Rooney was walking off looking dazed, everyone was shaking hands and only Gerrard was sitting on the ground briefly looking mildly pissed off.
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Not making excuses, but USA was in the game until the very last moment, while England was pretty much out of contention after the fourth goal, and most players probably already had digested their defeat by the final whistle. Of course, some of them might not give a toss, but I'm sure we'd see a lot more grief if Germany scored the victory goal minutes away from the final whistle.
 
urb said:
It was the worst performance I have ever seen. To move forward from this, we need to go back to basics. Everybody gets the boot and pull some new blood into England.
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That pretty much has to happen anyway. David James, Carragher, and Heskey will be too old for the next Euros. Green, Ashley Cole,Terry, Warnock, Upson, Ledley King, Gerrard, Lampard, Joe Cole, Barry, SWP, Carrick,and Crouch, may well be too old for the next World Cup. That leaves Joe Hart, Glen Johnson, Michael Dawson, Aaron Lennon, James Milner, Wayne Rooney and Jermaine Defoe.

If we want to challenge for the next world cup we need a further 15 or so players with international tournament experience. Since the prevailing opinion in English football is that clubs must never be asked to release players for age group internationals, that means either give up on the Euros next time round and play effectively a development team, or pray desperately that by some miracle a whole bunch of players who were far enough down the selection list to actually be allowed to play in the various U19 and U21 championships unexpectedly suddenly turn out to be far better than their contemporaries at the top premiership teams.

Alternatively we could try looking at what Spain, Germany, and Portugal do that is different to us (and the Italians and French). The obvious thing being that they make clubs release the top young player to play in age group international tournaments. 10 of the Spanish squad have played in age group world cups. 9 of the Ghanains, 8 of the Dutch, 7 of the Chileans. 2 of the French, two from the Ivory Coast, none of the Italians, and James Milner. Only a couple of the German team have played in age group world cups, but a whole load of them have played in the finals of UEFA competitions.

As a further example. Both England and Germany were in the 2005 UEFA U19 finals. Four of the German squad were in South Africa. Neuer and Muller in the first team, Schrock on the bench so far, and Kevin Prince Boateng in the Ghana team. None of that England squad made it to SA. In fact none have played senior international football yet. Possibly because amongst the eligible players who didn't go to the tournament were Joe Hart, Aaron Lennon, and James Milner, not to mention Ryan Shawcross, Tom Huddlestone and Adam Johnson.

When the priority of the FA is that our most talented youngsters should spend their time keeping the benches warm at Premiership clubs rather than learning what it takes to do well in an international tournament, then we can't really expect to do well.
 
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:facepalm:
 
AKA pseudonym said:
Did anyone else notice the apparent animosity when Gerrard and Terry shook hands at the end of the game.. they no more than looked at each other..
I reckon there were more background shenanigans going on than we know of yet?
England certainly didn't produce a team performance by any means....
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I was wondering about this as well. What happened? There was something strange going on with that Terry interview after the Algeria match when the rest of the team (captained by Gerrard) didn't back Terry up.
 
Shippou-Chan said:
to be honest i liked that

i like a team who can lose and have some grace about it... can go a swop shirts and shake hands

yes by all means have some passion but don't piss on people fir being good losers
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It's nothing to do with being good losers: they just don't care.

And why would they? International football is an unwelcome distraction for them, it's their clubs that pay their wages.

They must laugh at the emotional investment the public places in them.
 
phildwyer said:
It's nothing to do with being good losers: they just don't care.

And why would they? International football is an unwelcome distraction for them, it's their clubs that pay their wages.

They must laugh at the emotional investment the public places in them.
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There may be some truth in what you say, but you are exaggerating for effect.
 
phildwyer said:
It's nothing to do with being good losers: they just don't care.

And why would they? International football is an unwelcome distraction for them, it's their clubs that pay their wages.

They must laugh at the emotional investment the public places in them.
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Spot on
 
toblerone3 said:
There may be some truth in what you say, but you are exaggerating for effect.
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I'm afraid not.

The gulf between the public's attitude to international football and the players' is immense, increasing and completely understandable.

Yesterday's performance was the very definition of apathy. They don't care.
 
phildwyer said:
I'm afraid not.

The gulf between the public's attitude to international football and the players' is immense, increasing and completely understandable.

Yesterday's performance was the very definition of apathy. They don't care.
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Do you have any evidence for this or did you just make it up?
 
FFS, lets at least try and get past King Kev's passion/playing for the shirt bollocks. England had no shape, balance or dynamism - again - and so of course this was a player selection/tactical issue.

Pretty well everyone outside the bubble knows Lampard/Gerrard is dysfunctional, for Gods sake even the BBC pundits have become a dissenting voice in that regard. At times yesterday all four midfielders were in a square dance formation, chasing around for the ball like they do in the under 12s.

That has fuck all to do with 'passion'.
 
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