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England v Germany

Greece played what they were good at.
Sticking in deep. Staying in formation. Yeah it was boring football but the strategy worked for them.

I'm not English and have been supporting Germany from the beginning in this WC.
I did expect England to lose yesterday, but never to that extent.
At least the team in the 90s had some sort of flair. You were terrible yesterday.

I miss the England team from the 80s and mid-90s (even early 2000s). At least you posed some kind of threat back then.

EVERYTHING was wrong.

The last two WCs must be painful for you lot.
 
Disappointed but not surprised!

On the positive side of things at least these old bastards (Heskey, Upson, Gerrard, Lampard and James and Carragher) won't be at anymore World Cups!

It's Ghana now for me...
 
Im personally kinda glad england's out. i remember the last euros being way more enjoyable for the lack of english participation and all the bullshit surrounding it.

I watched both games with a non-football following friend last night. Even he commented on the vast gulf in quality of the two games. It was only a matter of time for England. They're shit. NZ were actually better imo :D
 
gabi said:
Im personally kinda glad england's out. i remember the last euros being way more enjoyable for the lack of english participation and all the bullshit surrounding it.

I watched both games with a non-football following friend last night. Even he commented on the vast gulf in quality of the two games. It was only a matter of time for England. They're shit. NZ were actually better imo :D
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Fair points, but you blew it at the end.
 
Hmm... Well.. we'd have to beg to differ there ;) NZ rocked the party...

you... well..

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I've never seen such a one-paced defence (and I include Barry as defensive midfielder in that) - only Ashley Cole seems able to raise anything beyond a jog.

One ball played straight through and the centre-halves watch it, two hit on the break with defenders left trailing.

Still not as bad as NZ though, but in this sport that's damned faint praise.
 
mattie said:
I've never seen such a one-paced defence (and I include Barry as defensive midfielder in that) - only Ashley Cole seems able to raise anything beyond a jog.

One ball played straight through and the centre-halves watch it, two hit on the break with defenders left trailing.

Still not as bad as NZ though, but in this sport that's damned faint praise.
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We were unbeaten. We joined a very select club there :D

Upson was brilliantly shit. I've never actually seen a worse performance from an international defender.
 
gabi said:
We were unbeaten. We joined a very select club there :D

Upson was brilliantly shit. I've never actually seen a worse performance from an international defender.
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You saw John Terry's?

Even Ledley King on one leg would have been better.
 
100% masahiko said:
The last two WCs must be painful for you lot.
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They did what was expected of them in 2006,got to a quarter-finals,this is the worst English performance I can remember in a WC finals,what made me laught was some of the shite spouted after the 1-0 win against mighty Slovenia,anyone would think England had just put 6 past Brazil
 
phildwyer said:
I'm afraid not.

The gulf between the public's attitude to international football and the players' is immense, increasing and completely understandable.

Yesterday's performance was the very definition of apathy. They don't care.
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Got to agree. :(

Gerrard was about the only player to show glimpses of passion, but there was only so much he could do stuck out on the left wing.
 
mattie said:
:D
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I can't remember what goal it was, third or fourth, but Terry was fucking miles up pitch and at the time, great football brain that I am, I thought "fucking terry! What's he doing there? Trying to show some passion, I bet, well, this is going to end in tears, fucking idiot thinks it's up to him, let the team do that bit John! Uh oh, here we go... oh fucking hell terry."

Honestly. That is what went through my head.

Actually, that must have been the fourth cos the third was the one where Lampard tried to appeal for a foul or offside or something rather than running after the guy who had just taken the ball. :facepalm:

The first goal was Terry's fault too. Bet he doesn't agree with me.
 
From the BBC article:

Stevie G - "It looks like we took a hiding today but that wasn't the case"

John Terry - "The socreline doesn't reflect how the game was"

They really are in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
 
One consolation of England going out is at least that excretable James Condon/Dizzy Rascal piece of shit will drop down the charts faster than Capello's reputation :D
 
mwgdrwg said:
From the BBC article:

Stevie G - "It looks like we took a hiding today but that wasn't the case"

John Terry - "The socreline doesn't reflect how the game was"

They really are in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
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We should only have been thrased 4-2! :mad:
 
mwgdrwg said:
From the BBC article:

Stevie G - "It looks like we took a hiding today but that wasn't the case"

John Terry - "The socreline doesn't reflect how the game was"

They really are in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
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TBF - from their perspective they've spent four years being told "keep the ball, keep the ball, keep the ball", which they actually did (certainly up until the 3rd goal they'd had 55-60% of possession), then they get battered by a smart, talented team, playing on the counter-attack, who saw them coming.

So they're probably thinking, "but we dominated possession!"
 
Among other problems, it seems to me that the team don't like having Gerrard as captain. They just don't seem to have anyone on the field who can lead them.

The Argentina - Mexico game showed the massive gulf in skill and touch that we have with the talented teams.
 
No they're just dumb and clueless and past their prime as players. Terry was found out massively yesterday, Upson is more forgiveable as no one, not even Dave ;), thinks he's a world class defender. Neither is King and neither is Dawson, nor Johnson.

England's defence is a mess. But it's still the best available to the manager as there are no younger players really doing enough, or being good enough to challenge for inclusion.
 
Idaho said:
Among other problems, it seems to me that the team don't like having Gerrard as captain. They just don't seem to have anyone on the field who can lead them.

The Argentina - Mexico game showed the massive gulf in skill and touch that we have with the talented teams.
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They sorely missed Beckham. He may be long past his best, but without an inspirational, charismatic strong leader, they all end up acting like individuals.

I don't think having a manager with a poor command of the language helps much either. Look at the way Maradonna interacts with his team.

*That's* how you get a proper team spirit going down.
 
editor said:
They sorely missed Beckham. He may be long past his best, but without an inspirational, charismatic strong leader, they all end up acting like individuals.

I don't think having a manager with a poor command of the language helps much either. Look at the way Maradonna interacts with his team.

*That's* how you get a proper team spirit going down.
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I'd suspect that's one of the things they thought Stuart Pearce would bring.

But, yes, Beckham proved his worth time and again, he's pulled England out of a few tricky situations. Not sure Lampard et al have ever done the same.
 
Capello doesn't understand the delicate rhythms and psychology of the England footballers -- they need to get shit-faced a couple of times a week for a start. :D Rooney et al. were bored shitless hanging around hotel bootcamp all the time.

Shame Lampard's goal wasn't given, then it might have been more of a game but inevitably at some stage in the tournament England's defence would have been destroyed by nippy forwards. If not the Germany game, the next.
 
Just for the record:

London_Calling said:
The Germans could play with one leg tied behind their necks and still beat this shambles; how Capello could say he 'got his team back' having beaten the equivalent of Sussex by one goal and two other half chances I don't know.


Let's be honest, it remains a complete shambles in shape, balance and dynamism, and it'll be exposed ruthlessly by anything resembling a 'team' i.e. any party having reached the knock out stages of a WC as Group leaders.

Steven Gerrard is not any kind of left midfielder and Joe Cole is not a second forward.
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London_Calling said:
I was and am exactly like this.

If Lampard and Gerrard play in a 4-4-2, my prediction is 0-3.
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^ OI! FA, give this feller the job!
 
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