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Well there is some daft logic in going down the motorway hard shoulder being safer than the A38.

Which kind of shows how screwed up our transport system is...there is currently no safe way to travel between Taunton and Bridgwater other than by car or bus.
 
Not a fan of Goldsmith at all, but it’s difficult to muster much outrage at the speeds involved:


On 27 April, Lord Goldsmith was caught travelling along Chelsea Embankment at 29mph, despite the limit being 20mph, according to court papers.
Just over a month later, on 31 May, he drove at 46mph on the A316 in Twickenham, which has a 40mph limit.
He was caught speeding on that same road on 3 August, while driving at 47mph.
A month before the August incident, on 18 July, Lord Goldsmith exceeded the 20mph limit on Bayswater Road, next to Kensington Gardens, while travelling at 28mph.
 
That bit of the A316 is odd, it jumps between 50 and 40 and back to 50 in very short order, all on a two lane dual carriageway. When I passed my test the limit there was 70.
 
Silas Loom said:
Not a fan of Goldsmith at all, but it’s difficult to muster much outrage at the speeds involved:


On 27 April, Lord Goldsmith was caught travelling along Chelsea Embankment at 29mph, despite the limit being 20mph, according to court papers.
Just over a month later, on 31 May, he drove at 46mph on the A316 in Twickenham, which has a 40mph limit.
He was caught speeding on that same road on 3 August, while driving at 47mph.
A month before the August incident, on 18 July, Lord Goldsmith exceeded the 20mph limit on Bayswater Road, next to Kensington Gardens, while travelling at 28mph.
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Why is it difficult to muster outrage?
If you’re cycling on a narrow 20mph road and get passed at 28mph, it can be alarming and is always aggravating.
 
Neither Chelsea Embankment nor Bayswater Road are narrow. And they had 30mph limits not too long ago. Illegal, but hardly outrageous.
 
I don't understand why anyone should be able to claim exceptional hardship. Your warning is when you start getting points. If you're a professional driver or you know that your livelihood/ wellbeing relies on the ability to drive that's an argument for caution and high driving standards; it should be the opposite of a reason to have a let-off. Maybe, just maybe, if you need your car to visit your kids or if your mum needs you to be able to drive her to her chemo appointments you shouldn't drive like a twat.
 
Plumdaff said:
I don't understand why anyone should be able to claim exceptional hardship. Your warning is when you start getting points. If you're a professional driver or you know that your livelihood/ wellbeing relies on the ability to drive that's an argument for caution and high driving standards; it should be the opposite of a reason to have a let-off. Maybe, just maybe, if you need your car to visit your kids or if your mum needs you to be able to drive her to her chemo appointments you shouldn't drive like a twat.
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Well presumably because so many people rely on the car to get to work so that's their entire income wiped out, sounds like exceptional hardship to me. Don't agree people should get infinite passes but it does meet the definition.
 
newme said:
Well presumably because so many people rely on the car to get to work so that's their entire income wiped out, sounds like exceptional hardship to me. Don't agree people should get infinite passes but it does meet the definition.
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Surely if your whole life as you know it revolves around you not losing your licence for speeding then not speeding would be the way to proceed, no?
 
newme said:
Well presumably because so many people rely on the car to get to work so that's their entire income wiped out, sounds like exceptional hardship to me. Don't agree people should get infinite passes but it does meet the definition.
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You have to build up a number of offences to risk your licence. Driving is one of the most dangerous things most of us regularly do, it's not a universal right, and if you demonstrate a repeated lack of responsibility toward other people why should you get a pass just because you've also managed to irresponsibly fuck your job over in the process?
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Surely if your whole life as you know it revolves around you not losing your licence for speeding then not speeding would be the way to proceed, no?
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Plumdaff said:
You have to build up a number of offences to risk your licence. Driving is one of the most dangerous things most of us regularly do, it's not a universal right, and if you demonstrate a repeated lack of responsibility toward other people why should you get a pass just because you've also managed to irresponsibly fuck your job over in the process?
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Spot on these two posts.
 
Plumdaff said:
You have to build up a number of offences to risk your licence. Driving is one of the most dangerous things most of us regularly do, it's not a universal right, and if you demonstrate a repeated lack of responsibility toward other people why should you get a pass just because you've also managed to irresponsibly fuck your job over in the process?
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I don't even drive, I just was explaining the justification. All kinds of things are inherently dangerous, I was simply explaining the logic behind exceptional hardship. I am not promoting people ignore speed restrictions, one and done at 20 for me and that was 3am. That incidence I consider stupid tho as it was restricted due to a college and road works, none of which were taking place at 3am. Paid my ticket, my mistake, the logic is questionable tho if we are looking at the benefits on a very well lit, straight road when literally no one is around however.
 
The thing is, in this country at least it is fairly easy to speed regularly and never acquire any points, or at worst nothing more than the odd three-pointer over the years. So even if someone likes speeding, if they are paying due attention to the road around them they should not be caught out in the first place. At least not by any fixed camera or average speed cameras, all of which are well signposted, and painted yellow for good measure.
 
Plumdaff said:
I don't understand why anyone should be able to claim exceptional hardship. Your warning is when you start getting points. If you're a professional driver or you know that your livelihood/ wellbeing relies on the ability to drive that's an argument for caution and high driving standards; it should be the opposite of a reason to have a let-off. Maybe, just maybe, if you need your car to visit your kids or if your mum needs you to be able to drive her to her chemo appointments you shouldn't drive like a twat.
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It's the people who can afford specialist lawyers who get off on 'exceptional hardship' as well.
 
T & P said:
The thing is, in this country at least it is fairly easy to speed regularly and never acquire any points, or at worst nothing more than the odd three-pointer over the years. So even if someone likes speeding, if they are paying due attention to the road around them they should not be caught out in the first place. At least not by any fixed camera or average speed cameras, all of which are well signposted, and painted yellow for good measure.
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Most speed cameras don't even work. The standard gatso is a very outdated bit of kit, still runs on film IIRC.
 
hash tag said:
I nearly got fun by a black cab once making an illegal turn while on a mobile phone. I reported him, the operators didn't give a toss.
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Unless you had photographic evidence or there was an accident, there's no way anyone would take any notice of a single complaint from a random member of the public. Nor should they. It's just as likely to be someone with a grudge as it is to be genuine. I suspect that would've gone straight in the bin.
 
I got numbers and really thought black cabbies and the authorities had better standards than that. ie that that might even care.
 
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